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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 09:21 AM
My husband and I are almost done with a 1st time home-buyers course, and we're probably going to start looking at houses at the beginning of next month. Can anyone suggest some good questions to ask sellers? I know to ask about the roof, the appliances, etc, but I know there are tons of questions that will never occur to me to ask. Got any terrific advice for me? Please share!
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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fantayzya
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Posted 10-18-02 10:08 AM
Ask about neighbors. You may or may not get honest answers, but believe me it's a valid question. When buying this house that question wasn't asked. With-in days of moving it (and this was January) every time I met another neighbor while out getting the mail or whatever, I was asked what I thought about our next door neighbors. Being winter here I hadn't had many dealings with them. As soon as summer hit, boy did we ever. The seasons are now identified by them. We have Spring, Collins', Fall and Silence. The couple was forced to divorce when their kids were removed from them by social services just before last Christmas. It's been the quietest summer in the 10 years I've lived here. Except for weekends when the kids come to visit their mother. The cops only do drive bys occasionally now instead of stopping nearly every day. The yard is even neater than I've seen it. Believe me neighbors make a difference. Look at the surrounding houses. What's in their yards? Take a walk through the neighborhood. What's the noise level? What type of noise is it? Critters/pets running around loose? Confined but barking?
My neighborhood is actually not bad. It's older homes with older retirees for the most part, though sadly that is changing as these wonderful people downsize homes or worse pass on, but there are a couple of homes, unfortunately too close to me that make it not so nice at times. To the extent that moving would be a consideration for many.
Inside, turn on faucets and check water pressure. Ask to take a drink of the water too, especially if it's not a city water system, but even if it is. Even if the taste/smell of the water is okay, look in sinks, tubs, wash machines, and on yard ornaments and the siding of the house for things like rust stains or where they might have recently been cleaned for a better indication of the water status.
There are many other things I could mention that I ran into with the home we're in. Really odd stuff that I wouldn't have thought of. (I've been here 10 years and still haven't figured out what 2 of my light switches control)
Happy hunting! Listen to your hearts. They'll tell you when you're home.
Lori
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian in Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
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Peggo
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Posted 10-18-02 10:57 AM
Plumbing and electrical are very important. Make sure they're both up to code. Look for any water damage in the basement and attic. Check out the neighborhood! Talk to the neighbors. They can tell you a lot about the house.
Good luck.
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 11:03 AM
Thanks for the great ideas, Lori— I'm adding them all to the list. Especially the neighbor thing— I wouldn't have thought of that.
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fantayzya wrote:
Ask about neighbors. You may or may not get honest answers, but believe me it's a valid question. When buying this house that question wasn't asked. With-in days of moving it (and this was January) every time I met another neighbor while out getting the mail or whatever, I was asked what I thought about our next door neighbors. Being winter here I hadn't had many dealings with them. As soon as summer hit, boy did we ever. The seasons are now identified by them. We have Spring, Collins', Fall and Silence. The couple was forced to divorce when their kids were removed from them by social services just before last Christmas. It's been the quietest summer in the 10 years I've lived here. Except for weekends when the kids come to visit their mother. The cops only do drive bys occasionally now instead of stopping nearly every day. The yard is even neater than I've seen it. Believe me neighbors make a difference. Look at the surrounding houses. What's in their yards? Take a walk through the neighborhood. What's the noise level? What type of noise is it? Critters/pets running around loose? Confined but barking?
My neighborhood is actually not bad. It's older homes with older retirees for the most part, though sadly that is changing as these wonderful people downsize homes or worse pass on, but there are a couple of homes, unfortunately too close to me that make it not so nice at times. To the extent that moving would be a consideration for many.
Inside, turn on faucets and check water pressure. Ask to take a drink of the water too, especially if it's not a city water system, but even if it is. Even if the taste/smell of the water is okay, look in sinks, tubs, wash machines, and on yard ornaments and the siding of the house for things like rust stains or where they might have recently been cleaned for a better indication of the water status.
There are many other things I could mention that I ran into with the home we're in. Really odd stuff that I wouldn't have thought of. (I've been here 10 years and still haven't figured out what 2 of my light switches control)
Happy hunting! Listen to your hearts. They'll tell you when you're home.
Lori
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Francine
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Posted 10-18-02 11:04 AM
If you are buying a house with hardwood floors, and particularly if that is one of the selling features, be sure you SEE the floors. If they are covered by carpets, be sure you know what you are getting. Hardwood floors are easily damaged by moisture, be it water, or pet urine. These damages can be so bad that there will be ugly black marks in the floors. Most times any real black marks in floors will not come out. I have also seen situations where a house is sold with hardwood, and when the carpets get pulled up, there are areas where patchwork has been shoddily done.
So, if the floors are covered by carpeting, be sure you have something added into your contract that states if the carpets come up, and the floors are badly damaged, the seller will pay for any needed repairs, or replacement of the floors.
Can you guess what business I am in?
Francine
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 11:05 AM
More good ones. Thanks, Peggo!
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Peggo wrote:
Plumbing and electrical are very important. Make sure they're both up to code. Look for any water damage in the basement and attic. Check out the neighborhood! Talk to the neighbors. They can tell you a lot about the house.
Good luck.
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 11:08 AM
quote:
Francine wrote:
If you are buying a house with hardwood floors, and particularly if that is one of the selling features, be sure you SEE the floors. If they are covered by carpets, be sure you know what you are getting. Hardwood floors are easily damaged by moisture, be it water, or pet urine. These damages can be so bad that there will be ugly black marks in the floors. Most times any real black marks in floors will not come out. I have also seen situations where a house is sold with hardwood, and when the carpets get pulled up, there are areas where patchwork has been shoddily done.
So, if the floors are covered by carpeting, be sure you have something added into your contract that states if the carpets come up, and the floors are badly damaged, the seller will pay for any needed repairs, or replacement of the floors.
They'd be obligated to pay even after we go to closing?
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Can you guess what business I am in?
I'm going to guess either flooring or real estate... ;o)
Thanks, Francine!
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"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Francine
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Posted 10-18-02 11:09 AM
I thought of something else.
If when the house is inspected, the inspector finds things that have to be fixed, be sure to hire your own contractors to do the work.
Francine
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 11:11 AM
quote:
Francine wrote:
I thought of something else.
If when the house is inspected, the inspector finds things that have to be fixed, be sure to hire your own contractors to do the work.
Francine
Would that be as opposed to the seller's contractors, or the inspector's contractors?
Still VERY new at this,
Kristi
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Francine
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Posted 10-18-02 11:14 AM
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Abra Cat wrote:
They'd be obligated to pay even after we go to closing?
I'm going to guess either flooring or real estate... ;o)
Thanks, Francine!
[Edited by Abra Cat]
If you are sure to put something in the final contract, yes they will be obligated to pay. I had one situation where a customer found plywood under her carpets. She did not have anything special in her final contract, but went after the seller, and got reimbursed for installing hardwood in the room that was plywood.
The bottom line is this. If in the description of the house, on eof the selling points is hardwood floors throughout, then there has to be hardwood floors throughout.
The picky part is this. If there are hardwood floors throughout, and they are damaged, and there is nothing in your contract about repairs to damaged floors, you may have a problem getting reimbursed for repairs.
I am in the hardwood floor business!
Francine
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 11:15 AM
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fantayzya wrote:
(I've been here 10 years and still haven't figured out what 2 of my light switches control)
I'm sitting here laughing over this. I'm picturing you occasionally flipping the switches on and off, wondering what they're for, and meanwhile your neighbor's TV and lamp are flickering on and off.
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Francine
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Posted 10-18-02 11:16 AM
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Abra Cat wrote:
Would that be as opposed to the seller's contractors, or the inspector's contractors?
Still VERY new at this,
Kristi
When you purchase your house, it has to be inspected before the sale is completed. This is to be sure that the house is up to code. The buyer hires an inspector. The seller is responsible for the cost of the repairs. The inspector has nothing to do with who does the repairs.
So, to be sure the repairs are done 100% right, you would be wise to hire your own contractors.
Francine
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 11:18 AM
Thank you, Francine! I just love hardwood floors, and a lot of houses in our area have them, so this will be a big point for me.
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Francine wrote:
If you are sure to put something in the final contract, yes they will be obligated to pay. I had one situation where a customer found plywood under her carpets. She did not have anything special in her final contract, but went after the seller, and got reimbursed for installing hardwood in the room that was plywood.
The bottom line is this. If in the description of the house, on eof the selling points is hardwood floors throughout, then there has to be hardwood floors throughout.
The picky part is this. If there are hardwood floors throughout, and they are damaged, and there is nothing in your contract about repairs to damaged floors, you may have a problem getting reimbursed for repairs.
I am in the hardwood floor business!
Francine
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 11:20 AM
Gotcha.
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Francine wrote:
When you purchase your house, it has to be inspected before the sale is completed. This is to be sure that the house is up to code. The buyer hires an inspector. The seller is responsible for the cost of the repairs. The inspector has nothing to do with who does the repairs.
So, to be sure the repairs are done 100% right, you would be wise to hire your own contractors.
Francine
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Ahnalira
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Posted 10-18-02 11:51 AM
Home Warranty.
The seller buys it for the buyer for a couple hundred
dollars and it covers the maintenance and replacement
of major appliances like hot water heaters for the
first year. Put it in your offer
Also, when you make an offer, be sure to include the
state of cleanliness you expect the house to be in
at closing. Your realtor may advise you to omit as
an unnecessary detail, but I have learned from experience
that, if it is written in the offer and the offer
is accepted, no false assumptions and expections (ie
disappointments) happen. Have fun
Ahnalira
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 12:30 PM
quote:
Ahnalira wrote:
Home Warranty. The seller buys it for the buyer
for a couple hundred dollars and it covers the maintenance
and replacement of major appliances like hot water
heaters for the first year. Put it in your offer
Also, when you make an offer, be sure to include
the state of cleanliness you expect the house to
be in at closing. Your realtor may advise you to
omit as an unnecessary detail, but I have learned
from experience that, if it is written in the offer
and the offer is accepted, no false assumptions
and expections (ie disappointments) happen. Have
fun
Ahnalira
Thanks, Ahnalira. Great idea— I don't want to be left with a pit of filth to clean up!
Let me ask you about the home warranty— who does the seller buy it from? Is that an insurance thing?
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Ahnalira
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Posted 10-18-02 12:40 PM
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Abra Cat wrote:
Thanks, Ahnalira. Great idea— I don't want to be left with a pit of filth to clean up!
Let me ask you about the home warranty— who does the seller buy it from? Is that an insurance thing?
Yeppers, it's an insurance thingee. There are several companies that provide them, and realtors usually have several that they can recommend.
Ahnalira
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-18-02 01:15 PM
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Ahnalira wrote:
Yeppers, it's an insurance thingee. There are several companies that provide them, and realtors usually have several that they can recommend.
Ahnalira
Excellent. Thanks!
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Belle
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Posted 10-18-02 01:26 PM
DO A FINAL WALK THROUGH WITHIN 24 HOURS OF CLOSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't stress that enough. We have always done it
the evening before the closing and never had a problem.
Our friends did it 2 or 3 days before, and there were
a few large items that the sellers promised to remove
before closing - they were just waiting on the dump
truck to come pick the stuff up. Well guess what -
it NEVER happened! The sellers had moved across the
country and my friends were stuck paying to get rid
of old furniture, a broken boiler and tons of trash!
Not what you want to deal with when you walk into
your new home 
So, just a little tid-bit to keep in mind.
HTH!
{hugs}
Belle
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Jsgirl
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Posted 10-18-02 01:45 PM
If you are in the south ask if the house has any polybutylene plumbing. It WILL break. Also ask if the home has ever been flooded. Mold is a big problem down here. I would try to put something in your contract that says if the home does not pass inspection your earnest money will be returned right away. As opposed to the six months we once waited.
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fantayzya
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Posted 10-18-02 02:11 PM
Okay, this is only a joke, though in retrospect it might have helped my situation.
Get the school transcripts of the prior owners. If they come us as lousy in school, you might wish to keep that in mind when it comes to getting your prospective new home ready for you when they leave.
Case in point: We have a half bath that you can only reach from the back yard. (by the pool) We live in Michigan so essentially this only would get used in frost free seasons and would require winterizing during the winter. Well, our sellers assured us that they had in fact winterized and we need not worry about this at all. When I opened the door with MY key on move in day, my lower legs took a bath. They had in fact winterized it, but had neglected to turn off the incoming water and the pipes burst. MAJOR problems. My entry way, storage closet/furnace room and a hall closet were flooded as well as my family room and sun room.
Don't buy from stupid people! (yes that is probably discriminatory, and a relative term but as I said I'm kidding, sort of) If you just love the home of some stupid people, make sure they are smart enough to hire contractors to do any work that has ever needed to be done while they lived there.
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian in Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
Visit WDW with my son Nate and I at Fantayzya and Nate See the World
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fantayzya
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Posted 10-18-02 02:13 PM
And yes, I do occasionally flip those switches and shake my head wondering.
I think next time I do that I'll have my son go outside and watch for other neighbors' lights flashing lol
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian in Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
Visit WDW with my son Nate and I at Fantayzya and Nate See the World
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LindaR
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Posted 10-18-02 02:47 PM
As a former mortgage loan officer.......do not go with an inspector recommended by a realtor. This is a very "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" kind of business. Maybe even get an inspector from another town. CHECK HIM OUT.
Know your price range (have you been pre-qualified for a loan?). Do not tell a realtor that you can not go above a certain amount. He/She will only show you houses in your max amount and may bypass a less expensive home.
Get EVERY SINGLE thing spelled out in your contract. Don't take someone's word that the refrigerator will stay. Get it in writing.
When making an offer.......phrase it this way.......$123,000 or appraisal - whichever is lower.
You may offer $123,000 for a house that only appraises at $119,000. You are stuck and can get into a legal bind. The bank will not loan you alot more than the house appraises at.
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Jsgirl
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Posted 10-18-02 03:02 PM
I thought of something else. Ask to see the utility bills. We once bought a house in the eighties that was so unique it had been in several magazines. It was unique all right. I was built completly around a 30' by 30' atrium. The walls were all glass. Imagine the heat in that atrium here in the South. Our electric bills were $350 a month 15 years ago and we never did get that house cool. It also had the polybutylene plumbing. Advertised as the next best thing since sliced bread. Yeah right, 14 leaks in three years until we were replumbed. It was one unique house all right.
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Robb
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Posted 10-18-02 03:08 PM
Mortgage Loan Officers are SALESPEOPLE
(Soilent Green is People, for that matter)
They are there to close the loan, not to help you.
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Robb
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Posted 10-18-02 03:10 PM
The people we bought from were moving out (still) on the day of close. They managed to mark up all of the walls on their way out the door.
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Francine
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Posted 10-18-02 03:27 PM
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Robb wrote:
The people we bought from were moving out (still) on the day of close. They managed to mark up all of the walls on their way out the door.
I wouldn't agree to a final walk through until the sellers are completely moved out of the house, and the house is cleaned, as agreed, and ready to move into.
Francine
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LindaR
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Posted 10-18-02 03:40 PM
Robb, that's why I am a FORMER loan officer. I got out of the business when dishonesty became a higher priority than customer satisfaction!
Boy, the stories I could tell.........
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-19-02 08:22 AM
Hey, thanks guys, for all the great responses! I have some more questions about some of the stuff you said, so I'll post more later when I have the time— if you're not all sick of the subject yet! ;o) Thanks again.
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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Abra Cat
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Posted 10-23-02 11:58 AM
quote:
fantayzya wrote:
And yes, I do occasionally flip those switches and shake my head wondering.
I think next time I do that I'll have my son go outside and watch for other neighbors' lights flashing lol
And were they? ;o)
"A crib is a bed with bars on the side of it. It's kind of like a cage at the zoo. Except with a crib, you can put your hand through the bars. And the baby won't pull you in and kill you."- Junie B. Jones
"There's more than one way to skin a cat. And I happen to know that factually that's true."- Sunnydale Mayor Richard Wilkins, III
"Conventionality is not morality. Self-righteousness is not religion. To attack the first is not to assail the last."- Charlotte Bronte, 1847
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