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| Tink *~*~* |
quote:
discernment wrote:
I take you at your word that you being
sincere. I just feel as though i am eavesdropping on some personal
matter between you and Dsorceror.
Amen. |
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| Dsorcerer |
Mickey,
For gosh sakes, after
spending as much time as you did with Fantayzya and I, You know I am
not a hate type of guy...I have had no issue with you...please have
YKW2 fight his own battles |
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| Lunarlady |
Thanks for the link on recognizing hate
crimes on the internet. I found this definition from that page
particularly telling:
Paranoia: Conspiracy theories abound
on hate sites. The individual or group being targeted is somehow
blamed for any number of social, economic or political problems.
Conspiracy theories on hate sites make use of invented evidence and
ignorance to back up their claims.
From what I've read, the
Disney internet world is charged with any number of social, economic
and political problems connected with the YKW site. It appears that
they've made use of 'evidence' and 'ignorance' (see charges against
Cathy Canada leveled, then pulled back as an example) to back up
their claims
Just who is the 'hater' here? |
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| KatEnigma |
quote:
Dsorcerer wrote:
Den,
I have NEVER said I was going to
beat anyone up that is simply foolish...I said " where do I go to
kick some YKW2 ass" And I have to some extent. I have attempted to
talk to him for almost 18 months... He has always shut me down or
has hid behind chatworth, pluto and igor..and at times even YKW.
I am here to see if he can ever come out in a public forum to
actually have anything to say. I really don't care about most
things, but even he has to stand up for himself...He has hurt lots
of people...Lori and I really find him amusing, and self absorbed,
as do most people who cheer us on by email daily...and these are
RCH folks dude...as they have been for over two years. At some
point Den, Even YKW2 has to show himself outside of the forum he
provides himself...Have you seen it? Nope
DEN, yes I am a good
person, but when someone slams my family in public, I want to talk
about it in public.. I just needed and asked for an I'm sorry, and
a tad of respect for a low life like me...
The thing is Ed, you know as well as I do, that
isn't going to happen. He has too much pride for it, and no amount
of baiting him is ever going to give you what you want.
Look, a good half the time, I'd like to smack him upside the
head myself (and I only have to go a couple hundred miles to do it)
but since he's a good foot taller than I am, I don't think it would
be a good idea, even if I were the type of person to do that, ;-)
which I am NOT. But there comes a time when all you can do is say
"He's a jerk, that's just the way it is" and get on with your life.
And if people haven't seen how he is by NOW, they're not
going to. The ones (like myself) who are sticking by him are either
accepting him for who he is, warts and all, or don't want to see it,
and never will. The only person you're hurting by any of this is
yourself. :-( And, unfortunately, YKW.
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| discernment |
1. How is he hurting YKW?
2.
By your continued support of YKW2 and YKW, do you condone and also
support them calling all their dissenters "haters"? Do you condone
them using the words "cyber terrorism" and terrorism to discribe
their opposers? Do you condone YKW2 belittling people such as Hattie
as he recently did? Do support this attempt to put a "spin" on
everything including things said here to further their cause because
they believe that their audience and "gentle" readers might somehow
get confused and are trying to be misled?
Kat, i just a
little confused where you stand. Are we known by the company we
keep? You seemed, i may be wrong forgive me, to revel in the fact
that you stirred the pot just a little when teh Switchboard was
still on Bravenet and accepting posts. You went back to YMJ and the
BC and seemed proud about the fact. You were very vocal on the
switchboard that day when you knew you were in a place that had more
support for your position. You knew that posts that stimulated
thought that disagreed with the "staff" would be pulled. They only
left the more eccentric/weird posts on there to make fun of them and
show everyone an example of what they call "hate".
Yes, a
post has been pulled on this site because it was in the wrong forum.
The mods are still learning and maybe next time anything like this
can be moved to Out Back. Yes, OhMickeyYoursoFine was banned briefly
and that was a major mistake in my book. But all in all we are just
trying to have a little understanding here. Do things get a little
passionate? yes. but thats good if it leads to a greater
understanding.
Kat, help me understand. I have seen a lot of
your posts here mostly of the variety where you are basically saying
the same thing. The crux of your posts seem to be that the Common
Ground mods are guilty of the same actions as people have accused
YKW2 of. Are you here for understanding or do you have another
motivation? |
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| Carla0030 |
Discernment, man just when i thought we
were really making headway, lol....
I can't answer for Kat.
Here's my thing. I honest-to-goodness do not understand what the
heck YKW2 is talking about half the time. For that reason I don't
look to hard. By not outwardly bashing him, you think I'm (we're,
all of us in RCH) condoning him. I just don't see everything as
black and white. He has more info than I am aware of or privy to. Do
I believe I would've acted differently? Heck yes, I think things
were blown out of proportion all the way around. I also thought it
was ludicrous that people got their 'skivvies in a knot' (someone
gets credit for that quote, but it escapes me right now) about the
BC's actions. Did that make it any less right for them to feel that
way?
Since you stated to Kat that you have been seeing her
posts and question her motivations here, let me ask you if you've
also been following Dsorceror's? He has been posted to numerous
times that he is being offensive and/or hateful and yet do you
believe he is here trying to mend fences or find a common ground?
Explain the difference to me. |
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| tallguy07 |
quote:
Carla0030 wrote:
...By not outwardly bashing him, you think
I'm (we're, all of us in RCH) condoning him...
You can voice your displeasure with what he has
said and not bash him. Maybe if some of the regulars at the RCH site
told YKW2 to show a bit of restraint perhaps this might not have
escalated to this point. |
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| Dan K |
[quote]discernment wrote:
Kat,
i just a little confused where you stand. Are we known by the
company we keep? ... You went back to YMJ and the BC and seemed
proud about the fact. [quote]
I don't agree with everything
Kat has said. But discernment, I seriously think you should
reconsider the remarks I quoted above, as they carry an unwholesome
connotation that you may not have intended. Your point seems to me
to verge on guilt by association, which is a classic witch hunt type
tactic. People at this site come from different places and different
frames of reference, have different favorite hangouts, and very
different interpretations of recent events. That's kind of the whole
reason for setting it up, isn't it? To turn around and accuse people
of being suspect because they don't shun the sites and people you
disapprove runs 180 degrees counter to that goal, and leads very
quickly to taking sides and ending the conversation. Let's try to
keep it going. |
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| discernment |
Carla, I was merely asking if Kat by
her assertion that she is accepting YKW2 "warts and all" and is going
to stick by him if that means she condones his actions. I didnt mean
to paint all of RCH and BC with such a broad stroke. I was merely
asking Kat of where she stands.
Yes, i have followed
Dsorcerors post. My opinion of that is that him and
ohmickeyyoursofine have brought a personal conflict to this board
and i feel awkward when things of such a personal nature are brought
up in this forum. I do not agree with name calling. Even though i do
not think that his comment of "kicking some YKW2 ass" was literally
meant i still dont agree with using such language. I think Dsorceror
is trying to mend fences as are alot of people by taking the first
step and vent a little. I think he goes beyond what i consider good
taste at times but i also think it is a good first step for him to
take. Time will tell if he comes around with a more
reconcilatory(sp) tone in the future. |
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| WDWDen |
YKW2 is human being with feelings. I
dont care what he said to anyone, he still doesnt deserve all of
this bashing. I do beleive that a lot of stuff that he said was just
out of hurt and him defending himself and his friends. I have met
him in person and I saw what a good natured man he is. He may have
done some things wrong, we all have, I dont think he is coming here
to apologize, so maybe we should all just forgive and forget and
move on.
If you really want to get over all of this, I think
its good to talk privatley with your friends, that is what I have
done. It helps. I also talk to my wife about it. It helps. All I see
here(for the most part) is the same people arguing back and fourth
and getting nowhere.
I say, forgive and forget! It really is
easy.
TRUST ME, until this place came along, I dont think I
ever saw a bad word written about me. When I saw that I had things
C&P here, it hurt my feelings. The first thing I wanted to do
was go and rip Scarlet a new a**. Then people started saying about
"now we can see his true character". THAT really made me mad. At
that point, is when I REALLY felt bad for YKW2 and KUH. I think
they lashed out and said some mean things. I dont blame them. It
hurts and they are human too.
Ok, take what you like and
twist it now:-). Ignore all of my good points:-). And defend YOUR
side. Back and fourth we go:-)
Dennis [dennis didnt proof
read this one] |
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| fantayzya |
Dennis,
I'm glad to see you're
still trying here, and I understand how you feel about what you saw
too. I only hope that you also saw folks come to your defense as
well, because they did. THAT is what we're shooting for here. It's
as unreasonable for us to expect to always agree as it is for us to
expect that everyone's personalities will mesh perfectly.
Actually with all the heat that had been generated and in
fact resulted in Coastal and Crank feeling the need for this place
at all, I think we have to expect a few bumps, suspicion, cautious
behavior and maybe even some paranoid irrational behavior for
awhile. Cripes, it's been less than a week that we've been trying
this.
I'm so sorry that you were hurt, but I'm so glad
you're a strong enough individual to come back anyway, call it like
you saw it and let us know so we can try again to make it work.
Kudos and hugs to you Dennis, to me you just represented the
best I saw in the Clubhouse I know and love.
Lori |
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| fantayzya |
quote:
discernment wrote:
Yes, OhMickeyYoursoFine was banned briefly
and that was a major mistake in my book.
We can ban someone here? I wasn't aware that
this was possible. I know I as a moderator can't. Coastal? Crank?
I had a couple of times yesterday where I got the same type
of error message I get when I try to view RCH, Guys was I too being
banned here? Maybe as an educational guinea pig?
No sarcasm
intended, I really wasn't aware and would like to know.
Lori |
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| WDWDen |
Thanks a lot Lori:-). I appreciate
that. Its nice to see you and Francine here. You guys are doing good
work. I hope there can be peace someday:-). Fight for what you
beleive in:-)
Dennis |
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| discernment |
i was given the impression that Crank
had because he thought Mickey was hacking the site.
Sarcasm
does not bother me...it is welcomed...lol
Let me
rephrase....it was a major mistake to accuse Mickey of hacking if
there was not sufficient facts to back that up.
So if you
dont agree with me here Fant i will be forced to hack this site and
BAN YOU!!!!!!!!
The above was intented as sarcasm and a
feeble attempt of humor. |
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| discernment |
Dennis, i dont know you but i am glad
that you are here.
Anytime a person makes such strong
accusations as YKW2 and calls people "haters" ,"Hacktivists",
"Cyberterrorist", "slanderers", "libelers","Disney vigilantes, tells
people they shouldnt breed, says he sees some merit in Hitlers
theory of gene selection, the list goes on and on, he opens himself
up to this kind of bashing. I think you agree that there are better
ways that YKW2 could have defended himself that would have fostered
respect from his dissenters. He may not have deserved to be "bashed"
as you say but i didnt deserve being called a "hater", "cyber
terrorist", or a "terrorist" either. You say forgive and forget, is
that what you call what YKW2 is doing?? |
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| Crank |
quote:
discernment wrote:
Yes, OhMickeyYoursoFine was banned briefly
and that was a major mistake in my book.
Hi Discernment,
I'd like to point out
that the reason Ohsofine was put on hold was not because of the
"content" of his post but because I was contacted in reference to a
complaint about the html content of that post.
I needed time
to examine the situation which, in this case, proved to be
unfounded.
If you have a better way, I'll
listen... |
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| WDWDen |
Agreed!!!
As far as it
goes with YKW2 forgiving, I honestly dont know where he stands. I
havent talked with him about any of this.
Dennis |
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| Scarlet |
Well Den. No hard feelings but should I
take that literally?
"the first thing I wanted to do was
go and rip Scarlet a new a**. "
Because frankly I think that
might hurt just a little but if you really feel the need .....
As you said in your apology to Hallie that night YOu were having
a bad day and you just took it out on her post not exact word but
you get the meaning. And it you read what I wrote later saying I was
sorry for what I said about you and that I thought you were a good
guy for saying it.again not exact words. But you see Im known for
having a big mouth and we may not agree on this but YKW2"s tone and
implications and just the way he thinks he can speak down to people
(JUST MY OPINION) is just not right so I said what I felt in my
heart (AGAIN JUST MY OPINION) and for that I am not sorry. I am
sorry though for what i said about you because you truly seem like a
gentleman .
So as a gentleman can we please refrain from any
futher talk of Ripping me a new a** because just the thought is
making it hurt . Must go find the ADVIL. |
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| Belle |
quote:
WDWDen wrote:
Thanks a lot Lori:-). I appreciate that. Its
nice to see you and Francine here. You guys are doing good work. I
hope there can be peace someday:-). Fight for what you beleive
in:-)
Dennis
I guess it's not nice to see me? Humph, be that
way then... ;)
{hugs}
Belle <--off sulking in the
corner, licking my empty chocolate wrappers :( |
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| Scarlet |
Onemore quick Thing ..
there seems
to be a reacurring theme here
mabe we should pick some other
body part to mess with say oh
wdwden i really wanted to lick
you in the eyeball
:)it's all good but my butt still aches
just thinking about the ripping............ |
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| discernment |
Crank, i understand why you put him on
hold. But i would like to see things better investigated before
people start accusing others.
thats it.....
i dont
have any better methods...
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| fantayzya |
quote:
Belle wrote:
I guess it's not nice to see me? Humph,
be that way then... ;)
{hugs}
Belle <--off sulking
in the corner, licking my empty chocolate wrappers :(
Nah it wasn't that at all Belle, I just have
more long-winded fingers (a bigger net-mouth) than you.
Lori |
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| OhMickeyYoureSoFine |
quote:
fantayzya wrote:
We can ban someone here? I wasn't aware that
this was possible. I know I as a moderator can't. Coastal? Crank?
[...]
No sarcasm intended, I really wasn't aware and would
like to know.
Lori
Lori, moderators Francine and Crank both
falsely accused me of hacking this site by placing "malicious code"
in my post, the very same one of mine that they deleted, by the way.
Immediately after these accusations I was banned for several hours
yesterday. There was no mistaking it was a ban, because when
attempting to post it says explicitly, "your ip has been banned from
this forum".
Coastalwader has since apologized for the ban
and irresponsible reputation smearing allegations made by his
co-moderators. Francine also apologized, and Crank sort of did.
Here is the tail end of the discussion:
http://novogate.com/forums/1461275-2.html |
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| discernment |
Ohmickey...while i may not agree with
most of what you say, i do think it was wrong for you to be accused
of hacking.
just my 2 cents. |
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| Francine |
Major edit here! OhMickey, I now see
you did accept my apology, and I want to thank you. That pretty much
makes this entire post moot, but I will leave it. Yes, I think, just
maybe, common ground between us is being approached. Can you just
take a look at the other rooms? You, I know, have lots of good
Disney things you could contribute.
Francine
I have
one question for you, OhMickey. Have you ever made a mistake in your
life?
I apologized for my mistake yesterday. Can you be a
big enough person to accept my apology?
You called me a
hypocrite more then once over the last couple of days, and your
posts have added nothing but negative things to this site. You seem
to focus on only the negative posts here, and have not even bothered
to notice that people have said good things about both YKW and YKW2,
me included. Most everyone else, if not everyone else, here, has at
least checked out the other rooms, and contributed some good things
in them. This makes me suspicious of your motives, and, I am sorry
to say, caused me to rush to judgement. I am sorry for that, which I
already stated.
Are you working towards Common Ground here?
Or, are you in here with a backhoe trying to dig up what common
ground we have built so far?
Francine
quote:
OhMickeyYoureSoFine wrote:
Lori, moderators Francine
and Crank both falsely accused me of hacking this site by placing
"malicious code" in my post, the very same one of mine that they
deleted, by the way. Immediately after these accusations I was
banned for several hours yesterday. There was no mistaking it was
a ban, because when attempting to post it says explicitly, "your
ip has been banned from this forum".
Coastalwader has
since apologized for the ban and irresponsible reputation smearing
allegations made by his co-moderators. Francine also apologized,
and Crank sort of did.
Here is the tail end of the
discussion:
http://novogate.com/forums/1461275-2.html
[Edited by Francine] |
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| Crank |
quote:
OhMickeyYoureSoFine wrote:
and Crank sort of did.
Here
is the tail end of the discussion:
http://novogate.com/forums/1461275-2.html
Hi Mickey,
I simply had no other way to
protect this forum while I view/sourced your post. I would do the
same to any other member of this forum after receiving such a
complaint.
I found no evidence of evil intent, but my
original statement being part of the TOS this forum stands:
"There will be no malicious code on this forum".
This protects YOU as well. If I offended you, I apologize.
If you can offer a better way I'd be willing to listen...
BTW, I wasn't aware that your post had been deleted.
I'll look into it...
Oops, I see there's no need to.
Whatever action was taken I'm sure was in the best interest of our
community and not meant to censor you. Feel free to repost your
comments.
[Edited by Crank]
[Edited by Crank] |
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| Francine |
The post that OhMickey is referring to
is the post that was put into the DIScussion room. It was
inappropriate for that room, and the threead it was posted to.
OhMickey knows that, and I would think would understand why
it was pulled.
Francine
quote:
Crank wrote:
Hi Mickey,
I simply had no other
way to protect this forum while I view/sourced your post. I would
do the same to any other member of this forum after receiving such
a complaint.
I found no evidence of evil intent, but my
original statement being part of the TOS this forum stands:
"There will be no malicious code on this forum".
This protects YOU as well. If I offended you, I apologize.
If you can offer a better way I'd be willing to listen...
BTW, I wasn't aware that your post had been deleted.
I'll look into it...
[Edited by Crank]
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| KatEnigma |
quote:
tallguy07 wrote:
You can voice your displeasure with
what he has said and not bash him. Maybe if some of the regulars
at the RCH site told YKW2 to show a bit of restraint perhaps this
might not have escalated to this point.
Just last week I asked YKW to take his
keyboard away from him! ;-)
Honestly, people TRIED, but it
had gone too far by then.
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| KatEnigma |
quote:
discernment wrote:
1. How is he hurting YKW?
2. By
your continued support of YKW2 and YKW, do you condone and also
support them calling all their dissenters "haters"? Do you condone
them using the words "cyber terrorism" and terrorism to discribe
their opposers? Do you condone YKW2 belittling people such as
Hattie as he recently did? Do support this attempt to put a "spin"
on everything including things said here to further their cause
because they believe that their audience and "gentle" readers
might somehow get confused and are trying to be misled?
Kat, i just a little confused where you stand. Are we
known by the company we keep? You seemed, i may be wrong forgive
me, to revel in the fact that you stirred the pot just a little
when teh Switchboard was still on Bravenet and accepting posts.
You went back to YMJ and the BC and seemed proud about the fact.
You were very vocal on the switchboard that day when you knew you
were in a place that had more support for your position. You knew
that posts that stimulated thought that disagreed with the "staff"
would be pulled. They only left the more eccentric/weird posts on
there to make fun of them and show everyone an example of what
they call "hate".
Yes, a post has been pulled on this site
because it was in the wrong forum. The mods are still learning and
maybe next time anything like this can be moved to Out Back. Yes,
OhMickeyYoursoFine was banned briefly and that was a major mistake
in my book. But all in all we are just trying to have a little
understanding here. Do things get a little passionate? yes. but
thats good if it leads to a greater understanding.
Kat,
help me understand. I have seen a lot of your posts here mostly of
the variety where you are basically saying the same thing. The
crux of your posts seem to be that the Common Ground mods are
guilty of the same actions as people have accused YKW2 of. Are you
here for understanding or do you have another motivation?
1. Ed knows that he's hurting YKW. I don't
feel the need to explain it further.
2. What I am supporting
is YKW2's right to run his own site the way he sees fit. Do I think
that he goes overboard? Yes. Do I think people making death threats
are haters? Absolutely. Do I think that continuous talks about
YKW's alleged sex life, an organized effort to go on different web
sites and give bad reviews of her books, and refusing to leave a
private website, when you have been asked to (regardless of whether
you hacked/cracked or not) is cyberterrorism? Well, it sounds like
it to me, and I saw these things with my own eyes- no need to take
their word for it. Also, I know a few things that happened that
others don't, that I'm not in the position to talk about. Would I
belittle people as he does? No, that's not me. However, since I
don't have to put up with the amount of pure crap that he does every
day, and I can't see the IP addresses to see who people REALLY are,
I don't feel that I'm in the position to judge him. Do I believe
that lawyers are preventing them from telling all that is going on?
Definitely! I would like it if they would disclose all the
information they have, but you know what else? THEY DON'T OWE US
ANYTHING! They provided us a community and source of entertainment,
at great personal expense (90K/year). Why do people feel entitled,
now, to demand explanations as to why it stopped? I, instead, feel
grateful for the joy they brought me.
You said: "Kat, i just
a little confused where you stand. Are we known by the company we
keep? You seemed, i may be wrong forgive me, to revel in the fact
that you stirred the pot just a little when teh Switchboard was
still on Bravenet and accepting posts. You went back to YMJ and the
BC and seemed proud about the fact. You were very vocal on the
switchboard that day when you knew you were in a place that had more
support for your position. You knew that posts that stimulated
thought that disagreed with the "staff" would be pulled. They only
left the more eccentric/weird posts on there to make fun of them and
show everyone an example of what they call "hate"."
I NEVER
went anywhere and posted in any way to say that I was PROUD of what
went on that day. I was vocal there, as I am here because I'd
finally HAD ENOUGH! Should I, instead, have let the other side of
the argument go on unchecked, and allow people to BELIEVE some of
the pure bull that was being stated as truth? The day before, I'd
questioned YKW2, publicly, on his motives. Why wouldn't I do the
same for people who WERE there simply to cause trouble and upset
people. Those posts were made at the middle of the day, when a lot
of the clubhouse members check in. Just because the posts were later
pulled, does NOT mean that no one saw them. And, MY POSTS WERE
PULLED TOO! By about 6:30 EDT, all of them had been pulled. Any post
I responded to was done so politely and respectfully, and, I like to
think, intelligently. I understand that people felt threated by
that, it is, after all, a lot harder to refute a calm, intelligent
argument and point to me as pure evil than it is YKW2's
anger-driven posts. Do I feel sorry for people who made fools of
themselves, and DID prove themselves as anger-filled (and possibly
hate-filled, but I don't know them , so I try not to judge them,
either)? Not for one minute. I will repeat what I said that day:
Everyone has been told, ad nauseum, about the lawsuits. Anyone
foolish enough to then go on their forum and hand them more
evidence, deserves whatever they get. Even if I didn't believe there
was going to be a lawsuit, I wouldn't do that, just to be on the
safe-side. I was calm and polite. Why is it my fault that others
weren't?
You also stated: "Kat, help me understand. I have
seen a lot of your posts here mostly of the variety where you are
basically saying the same thing. The crux of your posts seem to be
that the Common Ground mods are guilty of the same actions as people
have accused YKW2 of. Are you here for understanding or do you have
another motivation?"
As an aside to the others, I'd like to
point out that this is the 4th time, in 48 hours, where someone who
isn't anti-RCH has been accused of being here to cause trouble. I'm
not pointing this out to cause trouble, I'm honestly hoping that if
we ACKNOWLEDGE what's going on, instead of denying it, we can
eventually put it behind us.
Now, I'm going to state, once
and for all, that I came here because I am sick and tired of this
argument, and I had hopes that this forum would work. I've said
several times that there has been an equal amount of rudeness on
BOTH sides. However, I am not going to sit back and let the lurkers
here, who may not have as much information as I do, or simply not
thought of things, to begin to believe untrue things that have been
stated here simply because no one here cared to refute them. And
YKW or YKW2 have NOT sent me here, and I'm not even doing this for
either of them. I am doing it because it is the RIGHT thing to do,
and because I don't want my friends from RCH to be more hurt and
confused than they already are, if I can possibly help it.
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| Lunarlady |
I think I need to say the obvious here
and how proud I am that the people apologizing are much bigger
people than I would be.
The obvious is this:
We had
a poster who's every post seemed to be malicious, including
re-iterating her opinion that we were haters. Then code started
appearing whilst this poster continued her beliefs that we were
guilty of 'hating' and 'causing trouble to other sites'.
It
doesn't take a rocket scientist to suspect that the one poster who
continually espoused and mirrored the 'YKW-speak' could conceivably
be a hacker bent on destroying the site. Until the operators could
determine where the problem was, I feel they were fully justified in
stopping this poster (BECAUSE of her postings) until they could find
out just what happened.
IMO, once it was clear that her IP
address wasn't the one that caused the mischief, one apology from
the owner/operator would be enough. Now this person is continually
harranging on being banned and getting repeat apologies all over the
board, but still isn't happy and is still complaining about a post
that was deleted.
I'm sorry, but I'm enough of a realist to
know that if I go to a Christian web-site (I'm a Pagan) that bashes
Witches, and I complain and complain and complain on their boards
that I think they're wrong and haters, the least I can expect is
rude comments coming back to me in the spirit of: "If you don't like
us, you wicked person who's going to hell, why are you here?"
If a hacker hacked the site and their board started doing
funny things, I would understand that I'd be the very first suspect
because I was the one constantly telling the Christians that I
thought they were morally wrong to hate Witches and that THEY were
going to hell. I would EXPECT to be banned because a hacker showed
up and I was the number one suspect, regardless of whether or not I
actually hacked the site.
That's my reality check. As
always, JMO.
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