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| fantayzya |
I've watched, and there have been a few
times that you've posted the question about 'Why the BC?' as the
choice of forums to open at RCH.
Well, it's been edited now,
but when it initially re-opened, the heading for that particular
access link stated "See what all the fuss is about" (this is from
memory and if it's not a direct quote, I'm sorry) That would be the
answer to that particular question in my opinion. I have no idea
when exactly that changed as I wasn't watching that closely, but I
did in fact see that.
Just wanted you to know.
Hope
that helps,
Lori |
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| MrShiny |
That seems like a very poor excuse.
All I see now is that they say community was closed on the
advice of counsel and law enforcement officials, for the protection
of its members.
I don't see how if closing the community
protected people, that opening the most controversial part of it
wouldn't endanger them again.
I'd really like an
explanation, since I can't even imagine one!
Either darn the
"death threats" and keep the whole thing open or protect everyone
and close it down. They have done neither.
If closing down
the other sections was to protect those members, then desn't opening
the BC mean they don't want to protect the BC members?
[Edited by MrShiny] |
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| ronski |
Could the reopening of the BC been just
to disprove the whole 'cease and desist' theory? I admit, the method
behind the madness seems--(speaking politely) unorthodox. I don't
think you'll get any answers. Judging by the way in which trusted
hosts have been treated during the shutdown, I don't think public
relations is very high on the list over there. |
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| Dsorcerer |
Jeff,
there is nobody on the face
of this earth that has more personal issue with YKW2 and (maybe) YKW
than I may have. I have given of myself and of my wife and family
for several years running. I have personally been insulted in ways
you will never concieve. I think YKW is a nice lady, she has
actually called me once to ask me as an observer, if I would keep an
eye on the RCH and let her know when I thought things were gettin
out of hand. I chose to never get involved in the BC issue, even
though originally was listed as an "angel" when it started, do to my
involvement...or at least my fantayzya's involvement. I remember one
post where someone who was pounded by YKW2 came back to say
sorry...he was a newbie, and in the first sentence YKW2 accepted it
and in the next two paragraphs following pounded that poor guy like
I had never seen in eight years of internet experence. I posted
right after..." The wonder of your verbosity is only shadowed by the
Glory of your Pomposity"...well here came the butler Chatworth
telling me that "you know ed, we won't let you here when you have
been drinking"!...followed shortly by Pluto the clubhouse dog saying
" awww I like it when he drinks...he drops his cheese, and I get to
eat it!"...well gee wizz...three years and this Butthead can't take
a shot?... only minutes later...all was deleted and my IP was shut
off. (first time, never did it to anyone else...right)
then...Fantayzya, a host from forever confronted YKW2 about an
obvious foopa in some coding on a new section of the clubhouse, and
he refered to her as a "gump!" I could spend the next several days
on more and more stories...YKW has neve been the problem...The CEO
is!...but for now...let just chill okay buddy? |
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| phamton |
BTW, Dsorcerer, I loved your recent
post on the BC. I hope YKW realizes what a jewel she has in you and
your wife. If YKW takes back some of the controls from YKW2 I think
everyone will be the better for it.
Bev |
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| MrShiny |
Hey, I'm serious when I want to know
the reason - but I guess I'd just be getting a company line. I
wouldn't be suprised at all if it was his bad influence on her, but
her posts make it seem like she is seeing things through his
glasses.
Well, at least we have a cool place. I just wish
they wouldn't name names in their threats. That's just wrong.
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| Dsorcerer |
Jeff... Chill
1-jeff
0- RCH
better? |
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| MrShiny |
No problem. I guess anyone with any
knowledge won't take the accusations they make seriously. Still it's
a pain to see people you know accused of things. Well, I'm sure
cooler heads will prevail. |
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| Dsorcerer |
Jeff....just wait |
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| judy |
<<well gee wizz...three years and
this Butthead can't take a shot?... only minutes later...all was
deleted and my IP was shut off. (first time, never did it to anyone
else...right) then...Fantayzya, a host from forever confronted YKW2
about an obvious foopa in some coding on a new section of the
clubhouse, and he refered to her as a "gump!" I could spend the next
several days on more and more stories...YKW has neve been the
problem...The CEO is!...but for now...let just chill okay
buddy?>>
Wow - sorry you were treated that way (i'm
saying that a lot today, aren't I?)
We all have YKW2 stories to
tell, I think. I guess he had an agenda that he ddn't make clear to
anyone.
What I'm findng interesting is the correspondence
between how he treats people and what he accuses others of doing.
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| fantayzya |
Hi again Jeff.
Part of my point
in making this post initially was to give you the only reason you
would most likely get party line or otherwise. Not to keep anything
from you.
I simply have no other reason for it to give you,
and since no one else was answering I wanted to at least give you
something that I did know. Sorry it's not enough, or what you needed
to hear.
Wish me better luck next time okay?
Lori |
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| Dsorcerer |
Am I a lucky guy or what?...She has her
stuff together so well...and she's SO damn good lookin!... whew
wheeee! |
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| MrShiny |
I wish you luck and praise Dsorcerer
for the luck he apparently has!
[Edited by
MrShiny] |
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| OhMickeyYoureSoFine |
quote:
Dsorcerer wrote:
Jeff, there is nobody on the face of this
earth that has more personal issues with YKW2 and(maybe)YKW than I
may have. [...] I have personally been insulted in ways you will
never concieve. I posted right after..." The wonder of your
verbosity is only shadowed by the Glory of your Pomposity"...well
here came the butler Chatworth telling me that "you know ed, we
won't let you here when you have been drinking"!...followed
shortly by Pluto the clubhouse dog saying " awww I like it when he
drinks...he drops his cheese, and I get to eat it!"...well gee
wizz...three years and this Butthead can't take a shot?... only
minutes later...all was deleted and my IP was shut off.
Dsorcerer:
I have not posted in any Disney
forum since the clubhouse first went down, but am breaking my
silence because this desperately needs a major reality check.
You play victim, but neglect to mention the key fact that
you insulted YKW2 first, repeatedly and in the most mean spirited
fashion imaginable. I remember this clearly and well, because your
post in the clubhouse dungeon still stands as the most bizarre and
hateful thing I have ever read at the clubhouse. You began the
thread with cryptic insults at YKW & YKW2, and then claimed you
were angry at them for cancelling an anniversary dinner with you 9
months(!!) earlier. YKW expressed confusion at why you were acting
like this, pleading to know what this was really about. I think most
onlookers had a hard time making sense of your posts because the
level of anger and insult seemed so out of proportion to the
perceived slight (a cancelled reservation 9 months ago).
You
followed up with a series of irrelevant vicious attacks on YKW2,
attempting to publically humiliate and ridicule him. Whatever you
thought you had, you threw at him, with no mercy. Only at this point
did he respond in kind, and I'm very sorry he did. No one thinks any
less of you because of what he said -- if you struggled to overcome
a past problem and succeeded, that is honestly something to be
admired for and proud of. But there is a lesson here for future
reference. Next time you express hurt feelings and disappointment,
don't needlessly turn a longtime friend into a permanent enemy by
beginning the discussion in public with a slew of the most hurtful
and humiliating insults that come to mind. Instead of this poisonous
public spectacle, you could have just as easily expressed your
disappointment about the cancellation in private and said hope to
see you next time soon.
It's not as if YKW & YKW2 were
trying to disrespect or upset you by cancelling dinner, you know
YKW's father was critically ill that week and has since passed
away. You were told they would not attend before you even left home
for Disney. How can you hate them so much for this? Why did this
upset come up so suddenly and strongly 9 months later, and why do
you hold on to it so tightly today?
Struggling to give you
the benefit of the doubt, I assumed one of the people seeking the
demise of the community had assumed your name to spew random venom.
Failing that, I guessed that you were redirecting some other new
serious upset in your life at YKW2. After all, I know that people say
the most hurtful things when they are especially unhappy themselves.
This was all very strange not only because you were fiercely
complaining out of the blue about something that happened 9 months
ago. It was also strange because I had both breakfast and lunch with
you a day or two after this cancelled reservation, and as I recall
we all had a great time. Rosie paid for sizable groups of us
clubhousers to go to both Cinderella's Castle and Prime Time, and at
these events you certainly didn't seem like a man whose vacation had
been ruined by YKW cancelling a dinner reservation. YKW and YKW2
had actually cancelled on everyone at these events, the rest of us
understood and recovered just fine.
Not only that, but
having met you in person I can say you seemed like a really fine
person, not the type who would make threats and churlish insults as
you did to YKW2 in the dungeon, and unfortunately continue to do so
here today...
For example, here are some quotes from you I
just read right on this forum today.
1) "So where Can I Kick
some YKW2 Ass? "
2) "keep telling YKW2 I'm not that type of
guy...but he keeps trying to do me by the back door...Can somebody
talk to his wife, girlfriend, boyfriend soon? Geeze...he lives in
SO. California...there must be some action there!"
You are
better than these 6th grade insults and threats. What happened to
you? Grab a calendar, and make a decision how many more days of your
life you are going to flush on this consuming hatred. How much more
of your precious time and life energy are you going to waste on
bogus attempts to demonize YKW2? Can you imagine bragging to your
grandkids that you spent years stewing and making sexual innuendo
insults to someone who cancelled a dinner because of a critically
ill and dying father? My goodness, Clubhouse is a helpful DISNEY
travel site, not a life consuming soap opera! We're all on the same
team! A better alternative is to choose to forgive, and put it
behind you now. I sure hope you would, because this poisonous
spectacle is a drag on my friends and the community. I want the old
Dsorceror back, I will happily welcome and hang out with you again.
In any case, I can say you definitely picked the wrong guy
to trash. I met YKW2 for the first time last week at Disneyland.
Guess what? He is really smart, very interesting, enthusiastically
helpful, considerate, and really a hell of a lot of fun to boot. If
you had forgiveness in you, I just know you'd like him, too. YKW
and YKW2 are such genuinely good people, and you know well that the
clubhouse is such a benevolent and special community. I think the
motto of those seeking their downfall would have to be, "Let no good
deed go unpunished". |
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| Crank |
Hello YKW2 and welcome,
We
here at Common Ground invite opinion and debate as long as it is
factual and not mean spirited.
Your post will stay for the
time being. However I would invite folks to check dsorcerers posts
for themselves for the references you attribute to him.
Go
right ahead folks, look around... |
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| fantayzya |
Hello Mickey!
I'm going to take
this one, despite my wanting to stay out of it this time.
Did you read that whole thread? the one that the V&A
issue was brought up? That was only part of the issue, and was not
brought up until another very hurtful issue from the past was
brought up by who ever took control of Igor that night. The post
referred to essentially told Ed that he wasn't welcome when he was
drunk. Then "Pluto" jumped in and said he liked it when Ed was drunk
as he dropped cheese on the floor.
This was after a poster
who had been labeled one of the 'haters' had actually posted an
apology. YKW2 responded. YKW2's post started out looking like he
was accepting the apology quite graciously and then proceeded to
blast the person and was typical cutting, arrogant nastiness by the
end. Ed posted what he (and my 16 year old son) thought might be
considered a bit humorous by some and maybe lighten the situation a
bit, while still putting a message out there that YKW2 had gone too
far (in his opinion) something along the lines of "The wonder of
your verbosity (due to the three dollar words YKW2 tends to use) is
only surpassed by the glory of your pomposity" He was then labeled a
drunk and ripped apart in typical YKW2 style.
The thread
you are referencing, (and I do have print outs of this one) Igor
posts "Pardon, Sir, I don't get along with that speck YKW2 either.
How bout some... how you say? Jack Daniels, amigo?" sounds like
rehashing an old event from that end too. Although I can't say who
was behind the Igor curtain that night.
Going back
farther...at one point YKW2's picture was posted on an open board
and Ed saw it. (This was before the V&A thing ever happened so
that had no bearing on Ed's feelings about YKW2) Ya gotta admit, it
looks like YKW2 is doing a GQ I'm a stud muffin kind of thing in
that shot. In fact there was all kinds of hoopla from many of the
ladies over this picture. Do you remember that? They all wanted his
picture posted publically again and were calling him stud muffin
etc? That is still going on and Dennis is even self-labeled
mini-muffin. Well, Ed's, and yes my, reaction to seeing the picture
was that it made us think of the sketch that Chris Kattan does on
Saturday Night Live where he spoofs Antonio Banderas doing his "How
you say? Ahh yessss...Show" We had to laugh about it here because
though the image was there from the pic, it didn't really fit the
personality we saw online for YKW2. Ed posted that, changing the
word 'Show' to 'Website' in honor of YKW2 doing all his work on RCH
and that post failed. It was never meant to be insulting, or
hurtful. In fact we hoped he might get a laugh out of it.
As
for dialog between the two of them, Ed tried to contact YKW2 a few
times before that trip, and posted several times in an effort to
start up some dialog (before it got nasty anyway) and seldom if ever
got any kind of response. Eventually a message comes across to even
the hardest of heads that it isn't going to happen, you quit trying
and many times even feel a bit slighted or brushed off. In fact,
YKW2 has never even mentioned the V&A thing to either of us
either before or after.
As for knowing before we left for
Florida that they weren't coming, not true either. The message we
got through the grapevine was that they might not be, but their
reservations hadn't been cancelled yet and they could just show up.
Yeah a reservation is a small thing, except when you're looking at
that no-show possibly costing you chump change in the amount of
400.00. Yes we were, with the help of concierge staff and V&A
staff able to get out of that, but it was a very real possibility.
Plus, because YKW had asked, we hadn't told anyone that this event
was even scheduled. Yet when we got to Orlando, everyone knew that
they possibly weren't coming but us, as well as knowing about our
dinner plans. So much for the big secrecy clause.
In no way
do I mean to make light of the passing of YKW's father. I can only
imagine how horrible that is, and hopefully I won't have to
experience that for some time, but there your comments differ from
what we were told there too. You state that he was very ill at the
time and later passed. We were told that he had passed several weeks
prior and the reality of it was just hitting her and she was dealing
with that. In fact after we got home I sent YKW an email
apologizing because I hadn't know her father had passed but was
aware that he was ill and hadn't asked about him in some time. Had I
been more diligent about inquiring after him I might have known of
his passing. One of us has the wrong story here. Not that that
truely is the issue, nor does that difference in stories lessen the
pain YKW was feeling, or my sympathy for that (or Ed's either for
that matter as the loss of his own father,within a the past year and
on Ed's birthday, was still on his mind as well at that time)
The issue Ed has isn't really with YKW anyway, Nor are the
issues I have with YKW. YKW has been nothing but nice to me and I
truely value my interactions with her.
In regard to YKW2,
it is a very frustrating thing to truely respect the abilities and
work of someone who seems to have so much contempt for those he
claims to be only trying to help. We've seen so much arrogance,
intolerance, nastiness, deceit, sarcasm and condescention, and
actually felt it directed at us when we've had the audacity to
question or debate something YKW2 has said that it has become
increasingly difficult to see the good over the frustrations. Ed and
I have very similar opinions on most things, but very different ways
of expressing them. I often will take a break and ultimately decide
it's not worth the bother of an arguement or the resulting fall-out.
Ed is much more direct and can be as cutting and insulting as YKW2
can. This more often than not does not make a situation better, but
as is YKW2's right, he has the right to his feelings and opinions,
even if they aren't popular.
Ed and I thought very highly of
you as well Mickey, and yes, the times we were with the group were a
lot of fun. But none of you were there the night we actually went to
V&A or for the many conversations we had about how it would be
so great to spend some time getting to know the two of them outside
of the Clubhouse. While the whole trip being ruined might have been
an exageration, it was a major disappointment for both of us, I
believe Ed more so than me as honestly I had doubts it would really
happen from the start. I think Ed saw it as his chance to be part of
what he saw being a very large part of my life. He was so worried
about my disappointment, and goes to incredible lengths to avoid
ever disappointing me, but I believe it was worse for him.
Since that time he's had to listen to me every time I got
frustrated with something happening in the Clubhouse, and
unfortunately I've had several 'debates' with YKW2 and it often
resulted in my ranting at home, at Ed. Eventually that's gonna blow.
It did. It was handled poorly by both sides. BOTH sides got nasty,
dredged up the past and the exchange ended up at sewer level. It's
been a down hill slide since then.
I don't know if this
novel was successful in presenting a different perspective for you
or not, but I've not told you one thing that is not true from my own
experience on these issues, despite any conflicting information you
might have. I'd be happy to discuss this further with you, but as
I've posted way too much personal information here already, please
email me if you'd like to. Ed was in fact just asking me yesterday
if I'd seen you posting anywhere and if I knew how you were doing.
We both hope you are well and happy, and have only good memories of
meeting you.
Respectfully,
Lori
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| Dsorcerer |
she was much nicer than I wudda
been |
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| Carla0030 |
Crank, don't you do it! How in the
world can you claim to be neutral here? What has Mickey said that is
more mean-spirited than Ed's posting "YKW2 is a dick" and the hosts
are 'stepford hosts'. Mickey posted an opinion just as the others
have posted all stinkin day with regards to YKW, YKW2, followers,
etc. Pulling one post that is contradictory will get you labelled as
controlling and be just what you claim to want to avoid.
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| Crank |
Hi Carla,
I have no intention
in pulling the post should the posts attributed to dsorcerer prove
correct.
Should they be anything but, sorry , wouldn't be
fair to dsorcerer...
What would you choose?
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| Carla0030 |
Hey Crank, I'd be happy to discuss that
with you, but dammit there goes the clock bell so I have to go make
dinner or do some laundry or wait...no I think it was get my list of
requests ready for CRT calls in the morning. We hosts must stay in
line you know. |
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| Crank |
quote:
Dsorcerer wrote:
she was much nicer than I wudda been
Hi Dsorcerer,
I'm new here. Did you
indeed post the items referenced in ohmickeyyouresofine's
post? |
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| Crank |
quote:
Carla0030 wrote:
Hey Crank, I'd be happy to discuss that with
you, but dammit there goes the clock bell so I have to go make
dinner or do some laundry or wait...no I think it was get my list
of requests ready for CRT calls in the morning. We hosts must stay
in line you know.
No problem Carla,
Yak at me when you
can... |
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| Dsorcerer |
Mickey, I wasn't aware how well your
were informed about our plans...even better than we
were...WOW! |
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| OhMickeyYoureSoFine |
quote:
Crank wrote:
Hello YKW2 and welcome,
We here at
Common Ground invite opinion and debate as long as it is factual
and not mean spirited.
Hello Crank. Speaking of mean spirited, was it
really your intention to call me "YKW2" and imply I am in fact YKW2
posting anonymously? I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for an
apology? An Interesting way to greet a newcomer.
I am not YKW2.
My name is Michael, I assure you I am my own person. Your
co-moderator Fantasia can attest to this fact because she has met me
in person, as has her husband DSorceror. Numerous other new members
here have met me in person.
I hope you will understand when I
ask you please not to call me YKW2 again.
quote:
Your post will stay for the time being. However I would
invite folks to check dsorcerers posts for themselves for the
references you attribute to him.
Go right ahead folks,
look around...
Once again here are the two quotes I attributed
to DSorceror:
1) "So where Can I Kick some YKW2 Ass? "
2)
"keep telling YKW2 I'm not that type of guy...but he keeps trying to
do me by the back door...Can somebody talk to his wife, girlfriend,
boyfriend soon? Geeze...he lives in SO. California...there must be
some action there!"
Here are the links to those quotes,
hopefully they will work.
1) http://novogate.com/forums/1461099-1.html
(see title)
2) Thread titled "Folks here care what's on the
SwitchBoard or no?" in common ground, url is http://novogate.com/forums/146/474/1062-1.html
Hopefully after you verify these quotes, you will not be so
quick to doubt my posts in future. |
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| Dsorcerer |
Crank, I stand By my posts, and Mike
has every right to dislike them...even tho his post is full of
things He was not privy to, he still has the right to say what he
wants...ya think he could ask YKW2 to not try to hack me at 3 or 4
this morning? ie back door? |
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| Crank |
quote:
OhMickeyYoureSoFine wrote:
Hello Crank. Speaking of
mean spirited, was it really your intention to call me "YKW2" and
imply I am in fact YKW2 posting anonymously? I guess I shouldn't
hold my breath for an apology? An Interesting way to greet a
newcomer.
I am not YKW2.
Indeed you are not.
Accept my apology
for my confusion. |
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| Crank |
quote:
OhMickeyYoureSoFine wrote:
Hello Crank. Speaking of
mean spirited, was it really your intention to call me "YKW2" and
imply I am in fact YKW2 posting anonymously? I guess I shouldn't
hold my breath for an apology? An Interesting way to greet a
newcomer.
I am not YKW2.
My name is Michael, I assure
you I am my own person. Your co-moderator Fantasia can attest to
this fact because she has met me in person, as has her husband
DSorceror. Numerous other new members here have met me in person.
I hope you will understand when I ask you please not to call
me YKW2 again.
Once again here are the two quotes
I attributed to DSorceror:
1) "So where Can I Kick some YKW2
Ass? "
2) "keep telling YKW2 I'm not that type of guy...but he
keeps trying to do me by the back door...Can somebody talk to his
wife, girlfriend, boyfriend soon? Geeze...he lives in SO.
California...there must be some action there!"
Here are
the links to those quotes, hopefully they will work.
1)
http://novogate.com/forums/1461099-1.html
(see title)
2) Thread titled "Folks here care what's on
the SwitchBoard or no?" in common ground, url is http://novogate.com/forums/146/474/1062-1.html
Hopefully after you verify these quotes, you will not be
so quick to doubt my posts in future.
The posts are there undoubtedly. Thanks (any
way to shorten your name?)
I apologize for that. I hadn't
read them.
dsorcerer...any chance you would like to, er,
edit them?
Meet me half way here folks... |
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| Denise |
quote:
Crank wrote:
We here at Common Ground invite opinion and
debate is long as it is factual and not mean spirited.
Your
post will stay for the time being. However I would invite folks to
check dsorcerers posts for themselves for the references you
attribute to him.
Go right ahead folks, look around...
Crank, I think the post should stay. I don't
agree with the post, but this is the "out back" forum. Those who are
reading his post know what he is talking about and have read the
post/s that he is discussing. I don't want this to be a one-sided
forum. You can always debate factually what they are saying.
[Edited by Denise] |
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| fantayzya |
As Mickey stated, he does exist and I
have met him, and while we have some differences of opinion as to
how various events have gone down, he's a great guy with a good
heart and my feeling on that has not changed.
I respect his
friendship with YKW2. Never would I attempt to discourage that, or
his right to his feelings about and for YKW2 as a friend.
But by the same token, I have to support my husband's right
to his feelings too. Yes, he could be a bit more diplomtic in his
choice of words, but He feels justified in his feelings as well. He
feels that he's been on the receiving end of some pretty nasty jabs
from that direction. He also feels on the several occasions that I
chose post a differing opinion or a question to YKW2 that I was
treated in a less than 'nice' manner as well. And despite YKW2's
protestations to the contrary, I too felt on those occaisions that
it was pointless to even discuss it no matter how much I believed in
my view as he simply would not hear it. His responses to me were to
avoid the question, state opinions on people with faulty or
non-existant capabilities to see logic, condescending, patronizing,
(I'll put in in terms that even you can understand using words like
'thingie'...) and at times we thought outright nastiness. At times
for nothing more than asking for clarification. I don't care how
smart he (and even I) thinks he is, no one has a right to treat
others that way. His post to Hallie the other day was a perfect
example of the contempt he has often displayed toward anyone who
offers an opposing view, or simply doesn't understand even the
simplest of objectives he's had and had the nerve to ask about it.
I really want to believe that what I've seen online is not
the case, believe me because the impression I have is very hard for
me to accept, I've even asked another clubmember who has interacted
with YKW2 in person on several occasions to please tell me he's not
what I've seen when you meet him for real. I won't state who that
was, or what was said as it was a personal conversation and it
wouldn't be right to involve that specific person in this without
their consent. But I will tell you it was someone very close to
YKW, and the conversation happened Sunday August 18th. If that
person is reading this and figures out it was them, they are more
than welcome to relate our discussion including my views to you.
From my experience, and that's all I (or Ed) have to go on, well, we
have a difference of opinion here. Please don't jump to the
conclusion that I've completely forgotten anything good that YKW2
has done. This is absolutely NOT the case. Both Ed and I have stated
on several occasions our respect for his knowledge and capabilities,
and never once have we disputed his intelligence. It's his attitude
in dealing with people, and refusal to see a differing view as even
potentially valid so many times (notice I didn't even say always)
that I've taken issue with.
As for the most heated post in
regard to KUH, you're right, I haven't responded there. It showed
up while I was at the dentist having some rather extensive work done
that lasted till just about the time I had to go to work. I saw it
then but didn't have the time I felt I needed to respond, plus I
felt that my feelings about KUH-and the fondness I have for him
are stated in several places on this site, as are several pro-KUH
posts from some sources that if you read them might surprise you. I
was so sore from the dental work and tired from the change in my
schedule due to school starting this week and the earlier than
normal wake-up calls this night worker has to become accustomed to
again that after checking posts and responding to yours frankly, I
called it a night and went to bed. When I got back to it this
morning, Rubbernecker had already apologied for his 'over the top'
statements and there is a very real chance anything I posted would
only serve to agravate the issue, so I chose to let this one go.
Rubbernecker is entitled to his/her views even if you and I don't
agree. Please feel free to add yours to that thread if you wish.
While you're there notice that while some did, not everyone who did
post shared the same view as the original poster either. As fond as
we both are of KUH, not everyone has to like him like we do, no
matter how much we might wish that were so.
Anyway, enough
from me. As I said in another post, please feel free to contact me
directly if you wish. I have no problem discussing my views on this
(and they are only my views and not representative of anything but
that)or anything else with you at any time. The only thing I would
really like to do, as in the case of the phone conversation I
mentioned above, is to do our best to keep others from being dragged
into this. Too many people have been hurt too deeply on both sides,
that is my reasoning for suggesting email, not to hide my opinions
or views on these topics.
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