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tiggergirl
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Posts: 6
Registered: Jan 2003
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Posted 01-05-03
02:06 PM
Can someone
explain to me what exactly the Readers Clubhouse (now Magic
Alley)
is complaining about? I was offline from July through November!
What did these certain people accuse them of doing? Their
website legal info is very, very vague. It sounds like
they're a little nutty.
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poohlover
Cast Member
Posts: 188
Registered: Sep 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
02:08 PM
Tiggergirl,
How did you find your way to this website?
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tiggergirl
Cast Member
Posts: 6
Registered: Jan 2003
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Posted 01-05-03
02:10 PM
I did a Google
search for Readers Clubhouse discussion forum, and I found
Outback.
I read it for awhile, and then went to the main page. I
read for awhile, and decided to register. I am ergistered
at other Disney discussion forums. Why do you ask? Am I
not welcome?
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tiggergirl
Cast Member
Posts: 6
Registered: Jan 2003
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Posted 01-05-03
02:12 PM
P.S. I bought
the YKW book last Spring, and had accessed Readers Clubhouse
before going on vacation in June. When I just tried to
access Readers Clubhouse today, I fought this rant and
rave about people attacking them. It seems to be common
knowledge among several Disney fans about what happened,
but I don't know, and their website is too vague.
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poohlover
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Posts: 188
Registered: Sep 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
02:13 PM
Why would you
even presume to not be welcome? I was just curious how
someone
who had been offline so long would find their way to this
site.
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poohlover
Cast Member
Posts: 188
Registered: Sep 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
02:18 PM
It may be vague
because nothing actually happened to them. The FBI has
denied involvement
in any investigation. The lawyer for their publishing company
has denied any kind of victimization or legal involvement,
etc.
You should ask them. We have asked, asked for contacts
etc.
Most people here are happy to let it lie, since RCH has
ceased the active propoganda.
Pull up a chair and stay.
I am not the welcoming committee but I am sure they will
be along soon.
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Lunarlady
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Posts: 1307
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
02:18 PM
Just keep reading
the site and all will be made clear. You may have to go
back into the archives, though.
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Tink
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Cast Member
Posts: 956
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
02:19 PM
Hello tiggergirl,
well, if you've been offline that long, you missed a lot.
It would truly take too long to explain to you and would
end up becoming an epic novel to rival War and Peace!
My best suggestion is to go back to google and read RADP,starting
circa April 2002, then come back here and start at the
beginning of the archives for Out Back.
Edited to correct the year!
[Edited by Tink *~*~*]
Tink *~*~* |
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tiggergirl
Cast Member
Posts: 6
Registered: Jan 2003
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Posted 01-05-03
02:19 PM
I
guess it was the fact that, rather than answer my question,
or say "I don't
know", you asked me how I had found this website.
I was too busy with school to be fooling around on the
internet with Disney stuff, from mid-summer right up until
Christmas. Also, I had just been to Disney, so I had had
enough for awhile.
It's not that unusual for people to be out of touch for
awhile, and it doesn't make them suddenly Web incompetent.
I can still find my way around! Ha!
Right now I'm on school break. So I'm surfing the old Disney
sites. And I noticed some controversy, which always interests
me. I'm just curious.
If you have an answer to this question, let me know. Thanks!
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Lunarlady
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Posts: 1307
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
02:21 PM
quote:
tiggergirl wrote:
If you have an answer to this question, let me know.
Thanks!
If you are truly interested, seek and ye shall find. Personally,
I think things have died down and I'm not particularly
interested in waking up that sleeping dog at this
point in time.
Others may feel differently and (to echo poohlover) I'm
sure they'll be along sooner or later. You're welcome to
pull up a chair and do the research if you want, tiggergirl.
I'd rather be happy than right. |
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tiggergirl
Cast Member
Posts: 6
Registered: Jan 2003
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Posted 01-05-03
02:23 PM
Frankly,
I was just looking for a one-sentence answer, not the whole
story.
Like, "Someone accused someone of plagiarism." "Someone
accused them of lying about something." Very simple.
It sounds, though, like nobody knows.
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tiggergirl
Cast Member
Posts: 6
Registered: Jan 2003
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Posted 01-05-03
02:24 PM
I am just not
interested enough, nor do I have the time, to read the
archives. Thanks
anyway!
I am going to sign off and go do something I should have
been doing, like finish painting my living room!
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Lunarlady
Cast Member
Posts: 1307
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
02:31 PM
Well,
that was pretty wierd. Shall I call it a "spin"?
I'd rather be happy than right. |
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Coastalwader
Cast Member
Posts: 803
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
02:36 PM
hmm...I didn't
think there was still a rant on any of the opening pages
at RCH.
King Unca Bubba Lord DisneyTex
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annie
Cast Member
Posts: 285
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
05:32 PM
tiggergirl,
if you're still lurking-
There is no one sentence answer. It's a long sordid story,
and coming in at this point after things have been quiet
(although not settled) for awhile, it's hard to give you
a quick answer.
A lot of people here have come in late and been intrigued
by the whole thing, and they've found what they wanted
to know simply by doing a google search at RADP for "KUH" or "Breakfast
Club", or by going through the archives here. Yes, it takes
a long time, maybe someday someone will write a book about
the whole thing. For now it takes a bit of work to learn
the story.
Sorry you didn't feel like you were welcomed. The fact
is your question and style are a bit similar to some who've
come here just to raise a fuss. People are naturally suspicious
of newcomers who arrive out of nowhere.
If you're not interested in reading up on the whole RCH
thing, please hang around if you like, the other rooms
here (and actually most topics here in the Outback now)
are lots of fun and don't require a history lesson to join
in.
annie
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Ahnalira
Cast Member
Posts: 379
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
06:00 PM
Adding my welcome,
Tiggergirl 
Ahnalira
Grace finds beauty everywhere. Grace is my best
friend.
Meet
The Our Laughing Place Travel Pixies
Everybody's got a Laughing Place... we'll help you find
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Ajax
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Posts: 815
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
06:33 PM
Hi tiggergirl,
and welcome!
This saga is long and sordid. It defies a simple explaination.
But if someone still has the link stored, there was once
a site called 'Ri-Ri Exposed' that contained some of Ms
YKW's platitudes that were later deleted on her site.
They'll give you a general idea of where her head was at,
and might still be.
Did you see me at EPCOT on New Years Eve? I was
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Robey
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Posts: 862
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
06:34 PM
quote:
Ahnalira wrote: Adding my welcome,
Tiggergirl
Ahnalira
Ditto!
You really can't give a one sentence summary.
Unless you want to say something like, "It's waaayyy bizarre".
It's a huge controversy, and as controversy goes, it has
a lot of twists and turns, mixed in with emotions, and
opinions. We, at CG, are a group of people that came together
out of the ashes of that fire and have truly found Common
Ground. That does NOT mean we all agree, or that we think
alike. (which is a good thing)
We do welcome you and hope you feel comfortable posting
here.
I always wondered why somebody didn't do something
about that. Then I realized I was somebody. --Lily Tomlin |
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Mary
Cast Member
Posts: 302
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
06:44 PM
Someone asked
about this late yesterday or earlier today at radp also.
They
were pointed to do a google search. Came back saying Whoa
did not mean to start anything. A more regular contributor
then asked for the Common Ground link. This might be the
same person who questioned radp. I really don't think anything
was meant by it. Or, that radp regular just wanted to come
to see if anything was new. Big coincidence, though.
Mary
First Mate, Good Ship Stickey Mickey and Keeper of the
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Robin
Cast Member
Posts: 772
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
06:49 PM
People might
be starting to plan their spring and summer WDW vacations.
If they
try to access the old RCH they might end up finding their
way here like tiggergirl did.
The irony in that is somewhat amusing... 
I toss my cookies for Disney. |
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Francine
Super Moderator
Posts: 1036
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
06:55 PM
I just wanted
to add my welcome to the mix, tiggergirl.
We seem to be moving on from the controversy with readersclubhouse,
and I think most of us are glad of that.
Please, take a look around. Common Ground is a pretty cool
site, and I hope you will join in.
Francine
Come and visit my other home on the internet Our
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Crank
Administrator
Posts: 1587
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
07:14 PM
Boy, Howdy!
One innocent question!
In a nutshell (lol!) RCH Management seems to have been
mistaken about some folks' gullibility (i.e. empty threats).
Stick around Tiggergirl, it'll get better!
Trust me.
"Work
like you don't need the money, love
like you've never
been hurt, and dance like you do
when nobody's watching"
Crank-->
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All Rights Reserved. Though Brilliant,
Breathtaking
and Extrememly Well Written the Content contained herein
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inkydinkydoo
Cast Member
Posts: 107
Registered: Sep 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
07:47 PM
Welcome Tiggergirl!
And, ROBIN!!!! Where in the heck did you get that clock???
Is there really an honest to goodness clock like that around
somewhere that I could buy?? Maybe through WDW merchandising?
I WANT ONE!!!
Pat
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Robin
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Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-05-03
08:07 PM
quote:
inkydinkydoo wrote:
Welcome Tiggergirl!
And, ROBIN!!!! Where in the heck did you get that clock???
Is there really an honest to goodness clock like that
around somewhere that I could buy?? Maybe through WDW
merchandising? I WANT ONE!!!
Pat
Hee hee....I don't think that clocks for sale. It hangs
in the commissary at the Disney Studios in Burbank. I guess
I need to post an explanation at Goofy's Huge huh?
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Jodie
Cast Member
Posts: 10
Registered: Jan 2003
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Posted 01-05-03
10:16 PM
From one newbie
to another.... Welcome
Huh?!? |
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inkydinkydoo
Cast Member
Posts: 107
Registered: Sep 2002
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Posted 01-06-03
04:17 AM
Oh darn, Robin!
I was afraid that might be the answer. Can you tell I've
never been in the Commissary? Wonder how big of a shirt
one would need to smuggle it out, and wonder if anyone
would notice.
I love it!
Pat
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Parker
Cast Member
Posts: 437
Registered: Sep 2002
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Posted 01-06-03
08:34 AM
Welcome, Tiggergirl!
The dude abides. |
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Peggo
Cast Member
Posts: 544
Registered: Sep 2002
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Posted 01-06-03
09:18 AM
Hello tiggergirl.
Enjoy the archives.
But there's too much current fun going on here to bother
with that old news.
...Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...life is
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fantayzya
Cast Member
Posts: 515
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-06-03
09:54 AM
Hello! I hope
the challenges that kept you busy for so long worked out
well
for you. While a whole lot of water has gone under this
bridge in the time you've been out of contact, I remember
your name.
Please don't take the initial reactions to your post as
simple rudeness by the folks here at Common Ground. Many
of us would really just prefer the whole thing never happened
or at least would just go away. Things have recently settled
down a bit and it's a welcome change, so when your question
came in, even as a simple coincidence, even I paused to
consider it more.
I wish I could really explain it all to you, but honestly,
some of us don't know exactly what caused all the commotion.
At least not really. But ultimately it's an ugly ugly story
and the biggest and best reason I personally have for not
going into a lot of details for you is that if you still
have wishes to spend time at Magic Alley aka the Clubhouse,
it is probably best if you don't get too involved here,
at least not in the actual controvery aspect. Those who
have/do tend to find they are not so welcome there and
often also discover sudden strange and coincidental challenges
in their world.
If you do opt to hang out there, you'll see several familiar
faces, with some big changes in how things are run. At
least until you opt in to the 'restricted area' I assume
it's more normal there, though I'm no longer welcome and
refuse to fill out the 'damage statements' needed to attempt
to gain entry. At least as I understand it, that is the
'price' of entry at this point.
You'll also quite possibly notice that many familiar faces
are no longer there. Many by choice, many more not by choice.
That is the saddest part in my opinion. Some truely wonderful
folks are no longer welcome at a site that they helped
create and build the spirit of, some for several years.
I'm sure there is fun to be had there in spite of what
has transpired. In fact, I suspect that it's possible many
there have no idea of any conflict at all as those in control
there work very hard to keep things like this from the
general membership.
My advice, should you choose to 'play' there? Use it as
just that. A playground. Complete with monitors. Don't
expect more evolution of the site. From what I can tell,
that experiment was scrapped as a failure and a more controlled
experiment is the current plan. In my opinion, this will
probably be more comfortable for those involved in the
actual workings of the site as it will offer less resistance
to whatever direction they opt to take the site.
Where ever you opt to hang your hat, I wish you well, hope
the endeavors and corrosponding hard work you undertook
over the past months have given you what you hoped, and
that you do feel welcome to either give us a chance or
at least to visit from time to time.
Only the best to you,
Lori
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian
in Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside
my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in
the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
Visit WDW with my son Nate and I at Fantayzya
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