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Tink *~*~*
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Posted 12-15-02 11:13 PM

I don't know about this Tombo being the same one as the RCH Tombo. He has the hallmarks of a troll. There was a time when he was being innocuous and trying to look harmless. Then he turned rabid, and very suddenly. That's troll behavior - lull the audience into beliving "he's one of us", then stir the pot.

Unless someone has evidence to the contrary, I am operating on the theory that the Tombo/a who has posted here is just a troll that stumbled in looking to amuse himself by targeting people here that he knows he can get a rise out of.

Tink *~*~*

VanBrujah
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Posted 12-15-02 11:43 PM

I suspect they are sharing usernames again.

Actually, the old Tombo was much more amusing, and not nearly as big a crybaby.

VB

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Robin
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Posted 12-15-02 11:43 PM

I've wondered about the change in his posts too. They didn't used to be this vulgar. Either he's gone off the deep end, or someone else is using his login. It's not like 'they' have never shared a name before.
[Edited by Robin]

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TrpltJanie
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Posted 12-16-02 12:54 AM

quote:
Robey wrote:
Opposing Opinions, writing a parody, and even Vehemently disagreeing with someone is quite exceptable here.

There is nothing of substance about Tombo's posts.

Tombo just comes here to TO call people names.
Nothing more.

I was very surprised to hear that he is an adult.

Tombo is an adult?! Are you absolutely SURE that he's a grown person? The age where drinking and smoking is legal? No need to get fakey ID cards to get in dance clubs? To register for Selective Service as required by law? (shakes my head) Sheesh! The name Tombo doesn't sound very grown up at all either.

Janie
"It is not a slight thing when they, who are so fresh from God, love us." Charles Dickens

'over the shoulder boulder holder'

rubbernecker
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Posted 12-16-02 09:45 AM

Will nobody stick up for tombo? There's this: he provides easy controversy when others won't.

It's clear that YKW has admitted defeat by ending all updates to the Kooky Kommunity Kort even though she's too pigheaded to take it down entirely. The boycott threat drove away her sponsors and left her with pathetic affiliate ads (which earn her only a tiny percentage of actual purchases made through the links). Her career as a Disney guidebook author is definitely over. Only the very stupidest people still believe that the FBI is doing anything in this case. She's fuming right now as she reads this. (Hi, loser!)

With Ri-Ri taking a powder, where will we find the idiocy that gets people talking?

Where have you gone, little trolling boy?
CGers turn their lonely eyes to you.
(Woo woo woo)

Repent! The end is near!

Robb
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Posted 12-16-02 10:47 AM

Too bad there isn't a way to ignore people. Tombo would be tops on my list.

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Crank
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Posted 12-16-02 11:23 AM

quote:
Mike wrote:
Well, it's true that Tombo's most recent posts were juvenile and useless. I'm surprised to find out he's a dad - but he might be a young one. I'm sure any church would disapprove but even churchgoer's are not perfect.

As far as opposing opinions, they're acceptable here. The name calling gets attacked mostly. However, some can't claim to be any holier here on that note. Some of us name call even though its unprovoked, and are certainly the ones to jump on it immediately as soon as another does it.

VB, I don't see any language from Tombo that is worse than yours. As a matter of fact, I think he's just trying to top you.

I was a bit surprised you banned him, Crank, but the real shame is that when he posts his nonsense, few here are adult enough to ignore it.

Hi Mike,

If you look back at the last 20 or so Tombo posts he did nothing but call VB names. He then started on Tink.

As all are certainly aware, I'm no prude. However. continuous and sustained vulgarity for vulgarity's sake doesn't fly in my book. There are too many members here who have given notice they are offended by such. Had Tombo had anything - ANYTHING to contribute besides namecalling I would have reconsidered. As it was I asked once, told once and he still continued. He even started the garbage with another long time poster.

I will agree that VB's no saint (sorry VB) he *does* contribute with opinion. He also graciously removed the somewhat suspect sig he was using (thanks).

Hell, if you folks want him back, I have no problem! In my opinion he was/is a troll.

Where do we draw the line with sensibility?

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Crank
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Posted 12-16-02 11:25 AM

quote:
sarge wrote:
And i agree with you Tink. I never said that Tombos post were of value, I was just pointing out that if his non value opinions caused him to be banned that there is also alot of other opinions in here that are of non value.

Sarge he expressed NO OPINIONS!

What, in your view, merit did his posts have?

Tink *~*~*
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Posted 12-16-02 12:55 PM

OK, my conscience is killing me.

I was the one who suggested to VB the "waste management" method of dealing with Tombo. I was inspired by the RADP method of responding to a troll with the name of a fruit. And while it is not name calling or libel to yell out the name of a toilet paper brand followed by a *flush*, I am aware that it was perceived by Tombo as inciteful. Hey, he may just be bright enough to have caught the inference (i.e., what do civilized people do with a**wipes).

Not that he needs inciting. He is a TROLL and only shows up here to amuse himself by baiting people. He is messing with us for the sake of messing with us. The general rules toward toleration of diverse opinions do NOT apply to him.

At no time did it occur to me that Crank would banish him, and I was surprised when it happened. HOWEVER, I have said from the beginning that I do not believe in responsibility/accountability without complete authority. Anything else would amount to "taxation without representation". I believe that the person who "owns" the board should be able to decide whether a member stays or goes. Sorry to all of you who disagree with that, especially since it happened at RCH to many of you.

But I bet that most of you will agree that Crank is a reasonable guy and conscientious enough to make these decisions in a non-capricious manner. Crank does not consider a differing opinion = disruptive. The truly disruptive are the simple TROLLS, and Tombo is one of those.

I stand behind this decision of Crank's, and my support has nothing to do with whether or not the troll was coming after me. Big whoopty doo, tombo make a mildly insulting comment in my direction. Like I said above, I knew he would, and I am aware that by choosing the behavior, I was choosing the consequences. So was tombo. He chose to come here and behave in ways that would get him banished. He purposely does this to show Crank in a "bad" light, the same light in which many perceive what went on at RCH with the banishment of dissenters.

There is a HUGE difference between Crank banishing the idiot troll Tombo, and YKW banishing those asking sincere questions.

Crank, from my POV, you da man, do what your gut tells you to do.

Listen, this tombo guy is a TROLL and he is feeding off every sentence we write about him. So let's just starve him and move on. And if he comes back, just FLUSH him.

Is everyone down with that?

Tink *~*~*

TrpltJanie
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Posted 12-16-02 01:19 PM

Pineapple

Janie
"It is not a slight thing when they, who are so fresh from God, love us." Charles Dickens

'over the shoulder boulder holder'

Tink *~*~*
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Posted 12-16-02 01:26 PM

quote:
TrpltJanie wrote:
Pineapple

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Mar-Cal! *flush*

Tink *~*~*

Robey
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Posted 12-16-02 01:31 PM

I am down wid dat Tink!

Crank- U B Da Man!

quote:
Tink *~*~* wrote:
Is everyone down with that?

[Edited by Robey]

I always wondered why somebody didn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody. --Lily Tomlin

Robey
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Posted 12-16-02 01:33 PM

Uhhh Thelma...

You are hereby banned until we see a trip report!
You understand, girlfriend?

quote:
TrpltJanie wrote:
Pineapple

I always wondered why somebody didn't do something about that. Then I realized I was somebody. --Lily Tomlin

Parker
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Posted 12-16-02 01:36 PM

There are also other significant differences between Crank's banning and YKW's action.

1) Often people at RCH weren't informed they were banned or warned they would be banned so that they could argue their point or alter their actions.

2) There is a clear reason and examples given as to why it happened instead of vague references or lies being made up about Tombo.

3) It appears now that there is a means of appeal and it's still left to the group to decide. I do believe if we all said we wanted Tombo back, he'd be back, reguardless of what his opinion would be about it.

As I've said before, I don't blame RCH for banning people, but rather how it was carried out. In my eyes, it is a last ditch effort a community can use, but should be a very careful and honest decision such as the case has been here.

Crank
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Posted 12-16-02 01:36 PM

Thanks, Tink.

The only problem I have with Tombo besides deleting his posts (try finding a post from "Tomba"!) is that his vulgarity for vulgarity's sake may detract posters sensitive to this type of language from actually posting something worthwhile.

If VB and Tombo want to trade insults, by all means do so! This, in my opinion, is what the PM button is for.

For the time being, I will remove the ban. Since he has a talent for deleting his posts I will disable his former nicks and he may choose a new one.

This is, however, against my better judgement.

Peggo
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Posted 12-16-02 01:45 PM

I don't like banning.
Let Tombo back, and to everyone else, as Crank stated in the Posting Guidlines, "think twice, post once". You don't have to respond to offensive posts. Ignoring may be the better way.
The difference here is that everyone is able to respond to things said about them. In the other place they are not even allowed in to defend themselves.
I don't always agree with what is said here, or how it is said, but I love the fact that it can be said.

...Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...life is but a dream

TrpltJanie
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Posted 12-16-02 01:51 PM

quote:
Robey wrote:
Uhhh Thelma...

You are hereby banned until we see a trip report!
You understand, girlfriend?

Hey! You can't ban me......I didn't do the "Tombo" thingy but if ya gonna ban me anyway then I might as well insult somebody!

"Tombo can't respond to our questions in a nice, reasonable way because he's too busy trying to tie the shoelaces on his velcro strap shoes."

(rim shot)

Okay...ban me!

Janie

Janie
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Peggo
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Posted 12-16-02 01:54 PM

While that was a good shot, Janie, LOL, it's really not that fair, since Tombo can't respond. Although I don't know how anyone could respond to that.
I'll have to remember that one.

...Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...life is but a dream

Tink *~*~*
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Posted 12-16-02 01:56 PM

quote:
Peggo wrote:
While that was a good shot, Janie, LOL, it's really not that fair, since Tombo can't respond. Although I don't know how anyone could respond to that.
I'll have to remember that one.

Peggo, he just makes up another identity and starts posting again (remember tomba?) So it isn't entirely accurate that he cannot respond.

Tink *~*~*

Coastalwader
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Posted 12-16-02 01:59 PM

quote:
Parker wrote:
There are also other significant differences between Crank's banning and YKW's action.

1) Often people at RCH weren't informed they were banned or warned they would be banned so that they could argue their point or alter their actions.

2) There is a clear reason and examples given as to why it happened instead of vague references or lies being made up about Tombo.

3) It appears now that there is a means of appeal and it's still left to the group to decide. I do believe if we all said we wanted Tombo back, he'd be back, reguardless of what his opinion would be about it.

As I've said before, I don't blame RCH for banning people, but rather how it was carried out. In my eyes, it is a last ditch effort a community can use, but should be a very careful and honest decision such as the case has been here.

To add an important #4...

Crank didn't ban Tombo and delete his posts and then claim Tombo had done something that nobody else had a chance to see for themselves.

King Unca Bubba Lord DisneyTex

Crank
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Posted 12-16-02 02:03 PM

quote:
Parker wrote:
There are also other significant differences between Crank's banning and YKW's action.

1) Often people at RCH weren't informed they were banned or warned they would be banned so that they could argue their point or alter their actions.

2) There is a clear reason and examples given as to why it happened instead of vague references or lies being made up about Tombo.

3) It appears now that there is a means of appeal and it's still left to the group to decide. I do believe if we all said we wanted Tombo back, he'd be back, reguardless of what his opinion would be about it.

As I've said before, I don't blame RCH for banning people, but rather how it was carried out. In my eyes, it is a last ditch effort a community can use, but should be a very careful and honest decision such as the case has been here.

I appreciate the words, Parker.

I am quite sure Tomba's reason for his actions here is to disrupt and to draw attention away from the issues we are attempting to argue. I have no idea why he/she feels this is necessary.

I would urge posters to ignore him if he expresses no opinion in his posts and since he has shown a trend toward erasing his existence I will hint that he needs a new nick from time to time...

If any think this is unfair, feel free to express yourselves...

phamton
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Posted 12-16-02 02:59 PM

quote:
Crank wrote:

I am quite sure Tomba's reason for his actions here is to disrupt and to draw attention away from the issues we are attempting to argue. I have no idea why he/she feels this is necessary.

I would urge posters to ignore him if he expresses no opinion in his posts and since he has shown a trend toward erasing his existence.

I agree completely. The best way to handle a troll is no response. From years of being on usenet, even a clever reponse only encourages more trolling by the individual. I only respond to Tombo when he is discussing something that I think may deserve a legitimate answer (maybe not for him but for others reading the board.) It has been a long time since he has posted legitimate questions so I have not responded in awhile. I suspect he gets "Brownie Points" from YKW whenver he stirs the pot here. He reminds me of someone who scatters an ant bed just to see the ants run around. If no one runs around like ants when he posts, he'll tire of the game and start deleting and stop posting.

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Peggo
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Posted 12-16-02 05:31 PM

You're right Tink. I forgot about the multiple personalities.
And I agree with phantom. Not even a flush should be replied to stupidity.

...Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...life is but a dream

VanBrujah
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Posted 12-16-02 07:24 PM

quote:
Crank wrote:

If you look back at the last 20 or so Tombo posts he did nothing but call VB names. He then started on Tink.

I will agree that VB's no saint (sorry VB) he *does* contribute with opinion. He also graciously removed the somewhat suspect sig he was using (thanks).

Actually, as I am officialy Ordained with the Universal Life Church of Modesto, Ca.; for the Low, Low price of $50.00 (American) I can indeed become a saint!

VB

Crank
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Posted 12-16-02 07:34 PM

quote:
VanBrujah wrote:

Actually, as I am officialy Ordained with the Universal Life Church of Modesto, Ca.; for the Low, Low price of $50.00 (American) I can indeed become a saint!

VB

My bad Your Holiness...

Mike
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Posted 12-16-02 08:28 PM

Please don't misunderstand, Crank.

I fully respect and agree with you about banning Tombo. However, he was nothing but petty and annoying. And I was just surprised that it led you to ban him.

I agree with banning disruptions. I even agree with some of the RCH bans (ask Parker! He knows how easily I would ban!)

Have you ever typed something and had nobody respond? And then you typed something else and nobody responded? And so on...
If people could have ignored him, he would have stopped. But many could not resist. Many had to say something, even flushes.

Crank said:

quote:
The only problem I have with Tombo besides deleting his posts (try finding a post from "Tomba"!) is that his vulgarity for vulgarity's sake may detract posters sensitive to this type of language from actually posting something worthwhile.

But I don't know why the rule and concern is only for the vulgarity that has no apparent message with it. Why wouldn't vulgarity and profanity for any sake detract those same sensisitve posters?

Anyway, I think the point was made with him. For now.

Somebody there is playing with a kinked slinky!

Dsorcerer
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Posted 12-16-02 10:00 PM

Lori and I have had the "pleasure" to speak to "tombo" and have had the chance to meet him and family as we live in the same part of the country...we have chosen NOT to avail ourselves of this honor. As most of you know, I can be quite nasty, and I have always suported free speech here...but even I have limits, and Lor and my limits have been exceeded too many times by Tom Tom to ever meet him...willingly

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TrpltJanie
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Posted 12-16-02 11:07 PM

quote:
Peggo wrote:
While that was a good shot, Janie, LOL, it's really not that fair, since Tombo can't respond. Although I don't know how anyone could respond to that.
I'll have to remember that one.

Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't take shots if one cannot respond to them and ignoring them is the only way to go soooo in honor of Tink, I say "Banana".

Janie

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Tink *~*~*
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Posted 12-16-02 11:26 PM

quote:
TrpltJanie wrote:

Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't take shots if one cannot respond to them and ignoring them is the only way to go soooo in honor of Tink, I say "Banana".

Janie

starfruit

Tink *~*~*

VanBrujah
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Posted 12-16-02 11:35 PM

quote:
Tink *~*~* wrote:

starfruit

guava

VB

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