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| phamton |
quote:
Robey wrote:
Notice how he throws his garbage out before
he leaves to make people believe that he is secretly a friend to
members here, (those that im'd or emailed him) but they just don't
want to be out in the open about it?
KUH may be referring to me here. After his
comments on the BC, I emailed him and I pasted his post from the BC
and wrote "Ouch." He emailed me with a very kind apology which I
accepted. (If anyone wants to see my email reply to KUH, I will be
happy to send it to you, I have nothing to hide here. Just PM me.) I
personally don't see KUH as "the enemy." I have only 2 people that
I have gripes with and they are the two who are threatening
lawsuits. I have never had a major complaint about BC policy of
securing reservations once WDW stepped in and required credit cards.
It is my belief that if WDW has a problem with the BC that it is
their fight and they can handle it. WDW is a big corporation and
they are quite capable of handling any problem they might have with
the BC.
I think all these threats against so-called felons
is despicable. I don't see that KUH or any of the members of the
BC are the ones instigating this though. My anger is directed
towards those "hate-mongers" (YKW and YKW2) who are threatening
people that I consider blameless (such as me, DSorcerer, Francine,
Crank, Michelle, etc.)
I was very disheartened to read all
the copied posts from last night. It hurt me to read such demeaning
post from people I have grown to respect here. I thought most of the
posts (from both CG members and KUH) crossed the line. They
weren't debates or even reasonable arguments but personal attacks on
both sides. Tink tried to point that out also but got shot down.
(Thanks, Tink)
Once again this is just my opinion and you
are free to disagree but, please, no references to size of my p*nis.
;)
Bev
Edited to add: I just saw Coastal's post
after I posted this and wanted to end with his quote.
CoastalWader said
quote:
I guess what I don't understand is if someone thinks that KUHs
posts define his character, how can your posts not define your
character?
[Edited by phamton] |
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| Dab |
I was very disheartened to read
all the copied posts from last night. It hurt me to read such
demeaning post from people I have grown to respect here. I thought
most of the posts (from both CG members and KUH) crossed the line.
They weren't debates or even reasonable arguments but personal
attacks on both sides. Tink tried to point that out also but got
shot down. (Thanks, Tink)
Once again this is just my opinion
and you are free to disagree but, please, no references to size of
my p*nis. ;)
Bev
[/quote]
KUH enjoys
instigating and I think people were just playing right back with
him. I don't think KUH is behind the lawsuit thing however, I
really have zero respect for any adult who is told to run and delete
posts en masse and does so. Very childish. If you can't stand behind
what you say, then don't say it. KUH was right along saying how
things on RADP couldn't be erased, those words would haunt people
forever, blah blah....but then what does he do on here? Erase his
words. KUH is definitely not blameless, he likes to instigate and
I have zero respect for any person who claims his family is
threatened but continues with the same crap. Sorry but if I felt my
family was threatened, the website and postings would stop
immediately. Nothing is more important than my family but that is
his choice to make, he brought it up and people were free to base
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| Coastalwader |
quote:
phamton wrote:
KUH may be referring to me here.
After his comments on the BC, I emailed him and I pasted his post
from the BC and wrote "Ouch." He emailed me with a very kind
apology which I accepted.
Bev, you are much kinder than I. :)
Blasting everyone here in a public forum and then
selectively apologizing in private emails or in a different forum
(and then deleting it) doesn't get it for me. The placement of the
public blasting served a purpose to which the private apologies
won't risk undoing. Again, no website is worth that to me.
I
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| Crank |
Bev, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
It probably wasn't our finest hour. I went ahead and censored the
initial post by soupysales but by that time it was a little too
late.
It was of my opinion that SS's initial post was meant
to inflame and it did. Perhaps those that responded in kind will
think better of it next time and not fall for childish games like
these.
As for Deb's retort that we continue to "stir the
pot", well, it's our pot, Deb. We can do that *here*. How about
where you call home?
In regard to KUH, well, to say the
least, I'm surprised.
At first I thought some evil entity
had hijacked his password, but, I can't help but know that KUH
wouldn't stand for it. Therefore I conclude that it was indeed Dr.
KUH posting and I am ashamed for him. I hope he is man enough to
realize that, in his family's best interest, he should remove
himself from such turmoil and repair the home fences first.
Personally and professionally this can't be doing him any good.
KUH, if you read this, take some time off away from all
the BS! At least for the holidays.
If you must rejoice in
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| Francine |
I agree, Bev, with everything you said,
except for KUH's apology. KUH says one thing here, then goes
home, and blasts us. To apologize via email, only to you, then to
come here and be do rude, does not cut it for me. I have lost a lot
of respect for KUH recently, for several reasons.
As for
the remarks from last night, from both sides, well, disgusting
doesn't quite cover what I felt. RN's remark topped them all, in my
book. To speak in that manner, about sex, was beyond bad. It had a
very violent tone to it, and it gave me a real bad feeling. I am a
victim of a violent crime, and remarks such as RN's really affected
me.
And, as for all the deleting, well, it speaks volumes
for who tells who what to do. I think when YKW, and a couple of
others, say jump, there are several folks who say "How high?"
Now, all that being said, I have kept a low profile lately,
and intend to keep it that way.
Francine |
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| phamton |
FYI on the apology via email and not on
a public forum:
His apology wasn't about the post but for
lumping all of the CG members into the same group. He emailed me
because I emailed him first with the "Ouch." I don't believe his
intention was to send out apologies to everyone that he wasn't
referring to in his original post in the BC.
He still has a
bone to pick with some here, as do some of you with him. His apology
wasn't intended to be a blanket apology. It was a personal apology
which I accepted and I did not accept (nor receive) an apology for
the entire group.
I hope this makes sense. I don't speak for
KUH nor do I speak for the members here at CG. His apology to me
was accepted by me, nothing more, nothing less. Do I think he was
out-of-line with some of his posts here last night? Absolutely. But
I also think many of the other posts were out-of-line.
Bev
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| Ahnalira |
A contest on who can throw the most
creative insults is what I felt I was reading, and it seemed like
the folks who participated were having a great time. Those of us who
chose to stay out of it probably did so for a variety of reasons.
For me, the reason was (besides not being able to post during its
initial stages; >) that I couldn't think of any way it would
serve my personal reasons for participating here.
Mainly I
appreciate those who posted under their known "names" I have alot of
respect for folks who are upfront and evident about who they are.
Who stirred the pot first? I'm not sure it really matters;
it sure seems like everyone who joined the fracas was eager and
ready.
Ahnalira |
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| Lunarlady |
quote:
Ahnalira wrote:
A contest on who can throw the most creative
insults is what I felt I was reading, and it seemed like the folks
who participated were having a great time.
That was me!!! I had a great time!
quote:
Ahnalira wrote:For me, the reason was.....that I couldn't think of
any way it would serve my personal reasons for participating here.
Once I saw what direction Howard was taking it,
I found a very personal reason to keep him going. No one MADE him
log in and start posting, however if he was stupid enough to do so,
I guess I'm guilty of poking and prodding until he finally said what
I wanted him to admit:
In essence, he thinks those at the
BFC worship him and lick his butt and he considers himself above
them. I knew this all along, but I found it refreshing to finally
see him admit it in a forum where he couldn't retract.
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| Robey |
Basically from my point of view, KUH
was here on a self imposed "sugar rush"- his words (regardless of
the source of that sugar.)
He visited right after the
inflammatory "soupy" post and his post over at the BFC where he
called us ALL "commoners". There were also other inflammatory posts
made from those bored waiting in a que at the RC for that web site
to be functional.
Although it doesn't really matter, KUH
did initially stir the pot up with his post at the BFC. When he came
here to spread his holiday cheer in his usual profane way, we
reacted. Yes, i did participate. Yes, I did enjoy it. Kinda like
finally getting to punch the school yard bully after years of
watching him take punches at others. Obviously he thought better of
it himself, as he deleted his original posts. He, and others, are
bored naming their favorite color, movie, pet name, candy bar, or
insecticide. I hope the situation over there is finalized soon.
Closed or Open, it doesn't matter to me. As long as it occupies
their time.
I do apologize if I offended anyone here. That
was not my intent, but I was not very considerate of others when I
responded in kind to his Hindass KUH's remarks.
quote:
Ahnalira wrote:
A contest on who can throw the most creative
insults is what I felt I was reading, and it seemed like the folks
who participated were having a great time.
Ahnalira
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| DWDreams |
I am also sorry if I offended anyone
with any of my posts, though I am not sorry for them.
KUH
posts a message a RC trashing all who posts here. He may have
apologized for doing so to some here, but he certainly didn't post
any sort of retraction of it. BUT, when two (yes, two) unknown
individuals, Soupysales and then Soupysales2, come in here and
attack, both Deb and he have no problem swinging in here to defend
these soupys. If they could post here to defend that, why couldn't
they, particularly KUH, have posted earlier to apologize and
deflect further problems? The answer is clear,it was to stir the pot
plain and simple and there are no large spoons on this end. Though
we may be guilty of arming ourselves with a few spatula's once
attacked ;)
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| Crank |
quote:
DWDreams wrote:
I am also sorry if I offended anyone with any
of my posts, though I am not sorry for them.
KUH posts a
message a RC trashing all who posts here. He may have apologized
for doing so to some here, but he certainly didn't post any sort
of retraction of it. BUT, when two (yes, two) unknown individuals,
Soupysales and then Soupysales2, come in here and attack, both Deb
and he have no problem swinging in here to defend these soupys. If
they could post here to defend that, why couldn't they,
particularly KUH, have posted earlier to apologize and deflect
further problems? The answer is clear,it was to stir the pot plain
and simple and there are no large spoons on this end. Though we
may be guilty of arming ourselves with a few spatula's once
attacked ;)
[Edited by DWDreams]
Spatulas? We don't need no steenking
spatulas! |
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| DWDreams |
quote:
Crank wrote:
Spatulas? We don't need no steenking
spatulas!
Aw, come on, Crank, who's yer buddy?
:D |
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| Crank |
quote:
DWDreams wrote:
Aw, come on, Crank, who's yer buddy?
:D
He is "Vorro"!! SLASH! SLASH! |
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| Dsorcerer |
I have no real problem with KUH, and
Fantayzya has been VERY fond of him and his lovely family for
several years. ( I never got the chance to meet them) But from what
I know, He is a great guy. Lori is NOT happy with him at the moment,
with the tatics he has used receintly, and I think he has been
slapped by her (although with a rose) as I have, with some crap I
have said here. Her slaps are done with kindness, but for Lori to
slap you, you deserved it!...
Now Deb Conda...Well she GOT BITCH
SLAPPED!
(copies are available to those who can afford it!)
I cooked dinner for her tonight...GAWD I hope she likes it!
LOL |
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| Crank |
quote:
Dsorcerer wrote:
I have no real problem with KUH, and
Fantayzya has been VERY fond of him and his lovely family for
several years. ( I never got the chance to meet them) But from
what I know, He is a great guy. Lori is NOT happy with him at the
moment, with the tatics he has used receintly, and I think he has
been slapped by her (although with a rose) as I have, with some
crap I have said here. Her slaps are done with kindness, but for
Lori to slap you, you deserved it!...
Now Deb Conda...Well she
GOT BITCH SLAPPED!
(copies are available to those who can
afford it!)
I cooked dinner for her tonight...GAWD I hope she
likes it! LOL
You cooked for Deb?
Nice
guy.:D |
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| DWDreams |
quote:
Crank wrote:
You cooked for Deb?
Nice guy.:D
Nah, he said he cooked so I don't think he
meant Deb. Afterall, tripe is best served cold. |
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| VanBrujah |
quote:
DWDreams wrote:
Nah, he said he cooked so I don't
think he meant Deb. Afterall, tripe is best served cold.
Revenge is also a dish that is best served
cold.
VB |
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| tomba |
quote:
VanBrujah wrote:
Revenge is also a dish that is
best served cold.
VB
And who would know better than you when it
comes to serving dishes!!! |
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| DWDreams |
quote:
VanBrujah wrote:
Revenge is also a dish that is
best served cold.
VB
I believe I've heard that also, VB. Good
point. |
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| VanBrujah |
CD is skipping again.
I HATE
when that happens.
VB |
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| DWDreams |
quote:
tomba wrote:
And who would know better than you when
it comes to serving dishes!!!
Yes, VB, is definitely a connoisseur of many
things, fine china, fine wine, and fine art being just a few off the
top of my head.
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| tomba |
quote:
DWDreams wrote:
Yes, VB, is definitely a connoisseur
of many things, fine china, fine wine, and fine art being just a
few off the top of my head.
I love it when you "2" work in tandem to defend
each other....I hope you don't threaten to harm me the way
VanBlowtoad has in the past. It has a tendency to frighten me very
badly!! |
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| Dsorcerer |
any body know who "tomba" is?
Eda |
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| DWDreams |
quote:
tomba wrote:
I love it when you "2" work in tandem to
defend each other....I hope you don't threaten to harm me the way
VanBlowtoad has in the past. It has a tendency to frighten me very
badly!!
I don't appreciate the innuendo, Tomba. You and
I have never met, nor have we ever spoken, and I've never posted to
you previously. I don't know who you think I am, though you alluded
to it in another thread, but I can assure you that what you're
thinking isn't the case. I'm sure these imaginings that frighten you
can be controlled with medication, I'd see your doctor. Good luck!
:) |
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| VanBrujah |
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
huh?
did somebody say something?
was that a
gnat?
VanBrujah
[Edited by
VanBrujah] |
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| fabdisbabe |
quote:
Dsorcerer wrote:
any body know who "tomba" is?
Eda
A complete and utter loser.
Michelle
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| Robin |
quote:
Dsorcerer wrote:
any body know who "tomba" is?
Eda
I presumed Tombo had a bit of surgery in Sweden
since his last visit. |
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| judy |
quote:
Robin wrote:
I presumed Tombo had a bit of surgery in
Sweden since his last visit.
AH!! Yes, that would make sense!
Silly me,
I thought he had just forgotten how to spell his name! |
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| fantayzya |
Dinner was yummy, as always hun. Thanks
;)
and yes, I did get a bit irYKWble with a couple of the
people that I was in contact with from RCH in the last couple of
days. Your timing was lousy, and I still can't believe what I read.
Funny how I heard from them all at once when there had been
essentially nothing for awhile now. I also made it clear to pretty
much everyone I did hear from that I will gladly 'go away' if YKW
herself gives me assurances, in a form that I can use if need be in
the future, that there are no further knives aimed at my back. This
would of course include any pointed at my husband as well, since
what would affect him in the manner she threatened would by default
have an effect on me and my boys too. I don't need an apology, or
admission of it being a mistake, just that assurance, and from her
directly as she is the one presumably in charge. Anything that Ed
may have posted or done that pissed her off was done as a reaction
to what he felt was shabby, disrespectful treatment of me. That is
in no way a criminal offense.
I've also made the point that
while it's nice to see them working so hard to defend eachother
here, when they feel they are under attack, I wonder if that defense
would exist if the attack originated at RCH and was initiated by top
brass. My guess is the silence then would be deafening-based on
personal experience anyway.
I will say that there is one
person who I heard from who has bravely offered to make an effort on
my behalf, when they feel the time is right to do so. I agree it's
not right now. I know what a risk it is for you to even make that
offer. Thank you.
As an aside, to the powers that be over
there who I know are reading. You are losing people. Maybe it's not
visible to you yet in your hits, or the number of posts, but it's
happening. I've heard from folks who are very frustrated up to and
including a loss of that Disney magic that is what we all thought we
had in common in the first place. It's been tainted by this
disaster. That is so sad. I've heard on more than one occasion that
people no longer feel it's a community, and that is a great loss to
them. Please, for their sake, and regardless of what you think or
feel about me, if you have any intention of making a go of your
community, work on that for awhile instead of doing your part to
perpetuate this disaster. That is so much more valuable and
important, and positive. The majority of the people there have
nothing to do with this vendetta, and they don't deserve to be
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| Dab |
I've heard on more than one occasion
that people no longer feel it's a community, and that is a great
loss to them. Please, for their sake, and regardless of what you
think or feel about me, if you have any intention of making a go of
your community, work on that for awhile instead of doing your part
to perpetuate this disaster. That is so much more valuable and
important, and positive. The majority of the people there have
nothing to do with this vendetta, and they don't deserve to be
sucked down into it.
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This is what I don't
understand Lori.....if people are so afraid of YKW, being on their
bad side, whatever...isn't there someone there who can do a website
similiar to this one for them and get away from being afraid of the
people who own the site? I'm trying, honest I am but it's so hard to
understand why adults could be fearful of speaking out to someone on
the internet in fear of losing posting privledges. To me, no
website, no community is more important than my dignity. I couldn't
allow to be silenced by anyone if all it was was an honest opinion
that may go against the grain.
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