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fantayzya
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Posted 02-07-03 02:04 PM
a person, and in doing so mentioned that...
He thinks it's perfectly normal to kill a mouse, prop it's mouth open with a bolt (he preferred that rigor set in in that position) and intended to tan and mount the hide to display on his tool box at work.
Or that when accused of not staying in his work area he went to the tool crib, requisitioned a 20 foot length of chain and 2 padlocks. He padlocked one end of the chain to a work bench and the other he wrapped around his ankle, after giving the keys to the locks to an employee from a completely different area (serious safety problems with this)
Or how about the time he decided he didn't want to work in his normal area anymore and packed up his tool cart, moved it to a completely different area of the plant and started working on a job, on his own, no bidding on an open job, or even getting a line-up on what was needed for the job he took over. This repeated for 4 straight days. He'd just go, notifying no one of his intent.
Or another time he disappeared and was eventually found walking across the bridge of an overhead crane. This is a good 30 feet or better off the ground with live wires running across it (440) He claimed he had lost something and thought it might be up there.
Maybe the story about him coming up behind other guys, jamming his hands in their pockets (the front ones) and doing an interesting lil bump and grind.
There's a supervisor who had the audacity to reprimand him once and found himself looking at a gun and being threatened, well, him and his whole family. He got a week off for that one and when he came back each time he ran into this boss he'd put his arm around the poor guy's shoulders and make a scene about how they were such good buddies.
To find this guy standing in a work area, staring motionless at a job for hours is not an uncommon site.
He felt it was inconvenient to move from work area to work area with in a zone of the plant and spent an entire evening looking for additional, unclaimed tool carts so he didn't have to move his between areas. (They are on wheels for this purpose) When he was directed to cease this search and work his assigned job he advised his (and my) leader to watch her back because when you start something you have to be prepared to finish it. When she asked if that was a threat, he simply replied that she should be watching because he would. When the supervisor (also a woman-the only area of the plant that a Tool and Die lead and a supervisor are both women) tried to discuss this incident with him he got in her face and had to be restrained from hitting her. This got him moved to another area of the plant-not suspended or put out on leave, just moved because the 'women were uncomfortable with him'
Within a week of his re-assignment he claimed to have inhaled something-no information as to what, and suddenly went out on medical leave.
He has since attempted to sue GM, unsuccessfully, used up all possible medical leave time and I found out last night is coming back Monday.
The odd behavior, going out on medical for the longest possible time and returning either just in time to qualify for some holiday pay or other bonus type situaion is a pattern he repeats often. As is taking revenge on those he feels have crossed him.
This person was my back-up just before he was 're-assigned' This person worked on tooling that could potentially hurt or even kill me should he not do his job properly for whatever reason. Did I ever find issues of concern (other than the behavior issues I've mentioned?) Oh yeah. Several times. Enough so that regardless of what he says, or does, I won't be able to trust his work. Nor will the other guys in the area and they have stated such to me.
But the 'good ole boys club' has decided it's just a bitchy girl issue. While they haven't discussed the decision to let him come back with me, they did with my lead and suggested she just relax. We all know him and it's just his way. Yet none of the 'stupidvisors' involved in this decision are willing to have him working for them. No way, they are so comfy with this guy they are putting him with the supervisor he pulled the gun on. In the area next to the one the lead and supervisor (and I, myself) he threatened last are in.
So, what do you think? Do we 'bitchy girls' (yes that term was used) have cause to be upset? Believe me it's not just us gals who are wondering what planet the stupidvisors making this decision are on. Most of the guys in my area aren't happy with this at all either. Not to mention the boss he's assigned to. Or are we being unreasonable? Should I keep my mouth shut (not that any opinion of mine would matter anyway) Or should I simply take out another life insurance policy. Yeah I have crossed him too. He's been trying to get me to contact him the whole time he's been off. I've not done so, and told his messengers I had no intention of doing so. Avoidance is possible to a limited extent, and I fully intend to do that as much as possible.
Opinions? Advice?
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian in Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
Visit WDW with my son Nate and I at Fantayzya and Nate See the World
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Lunarlady
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Posted 02-07-03 02:20 PM
Learn karate and tai-kwan-do (sp?). Learn anti-personnel maneuvers. Contact the Michigan Militia. I'll do some research because, as nice as I can be, I'm not a bitch you want to cross in real life when it comes to defending myself. (all or nothing, remember?)
From your description, this guy is dangerous. If he's been known to carry a gun, than what I would assume is that if you point a gun at me you are intending on using it to kill me therefore deadly force on my part is necessary and warranted.
I'll get back to ya.
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Crank
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Posted 02-07-03 02:27 PM
Document, document, document! Just in case something does happen.
I would then take it upstream as far as needed.
I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
BOYCOTT FRENCH TOAST, GERMAN SAUSAGE AND BELGIAN CHOCOLATES
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Lunarlady
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Posted 02-07-03 02:40 PM
http://www.protectmefirst.com/artic...onal_Safety.htm
I was under the impression that they've tried documentation and that hasn't worked. It may be written off as "girl bitching".
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VanBrujah
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Posted 02-07-03 03:07 PM
This guy pulled a GUN on a co-worker and was not fired?
I'd either look for a new job, or demand that they get rit of him.
Isn't there a federal law about a "hostile work environment"?
VB
I wouldn't F*@k RiRi with KUH'S Di@k!
and now, name that quote:
"What the F*@k?
You mean you found out I did it?
You can't post that!
I'M TELLING!!"
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Coastalwader
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Posted 02-07-03 03:12 PM
Unions!
King Unca Bubba Lord DisneyTex
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AmyA
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Posted 02-07-03 03:20 PM
Lori Ann,
Have you contacted GM's employee relations department (usually a division of HR) about this? I had a nurse that harrassed me (and has a history of hard core harrrassment of others)for a 2 years (not like you have been harrassed, tho). I went to employee relations (after exhausting the chain of command, just as you have), and it did take some time, but she was officially "transferred" 2 weeks ago. She was put on notice during that admin time though that she was to act as if I didn't exist. Any contact with me (barring a medical emergency of a patient) was considered grounds for immediate dismissal.
AmyA
I am a peon who has been kicked to the curb
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Lunarlady
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Posted 02-07-03 03:24 PM
quote:
VanBrujah wrote:
This guy pulled a GUN on a co-worker and was not fired?
Things like this happen more often than is reported or known, VB. People keep their mouths shut if they want to keep their jobs.
I used to work in a banking IT environment where one short-tempered worker pulled a knife on another co-worker and "jokingly" cut his belt off. He was told to not bring the knife in again.
A year later, the same nice co-worker was attacked by the same short-tempered worker with the same knife. This time the nice co-worker said he was leaving early to get a haircut (he was VERY fastidious about his hair - it always had to be nice, neat and short) and the short-tempered co-worker said he'd give him a haircut, took out his knife, pinned the nice co-worker against the wall and cut off a piece of his hair.
After this second "attack", many workers went to the bosses about the short-tempered co-worker (known as a jack-ass because he's cuss and swear at the top of his lungs and throw chairs and keyboards around). The formal reason they were told to forget about it was that the short-tempered co-worker had been there for 20 years and the bank had already had problems with lawsuits and didn't want another one.
The informal and unspoken reason it was put up with was that the nice co-worker that the jack-ass was always "attacking" was gay, but kept his sexual lifestyle as far under wraps as possible due to the conservatism of the banking industry. Yes, the nice co-worker could have made a huge deal of this, but he knew sooner or later he'd be let go because his sexual preference would come out into the open.
(BTW, The reason I'm putting "attack" in quotes is that the supervisor's reasoning for letting this go is that the nice co-worker was never physically, bodily harmed and the short-tempered co-worker always did his "attacks" in a joking manner)
I worked closely with a guy who was VERY heterosexual, but was thin, neatly dressed all the time and persnickity about how clean things had to be, therefore many managers assumed he was gay. He was refused promotions for over two years before he finally got tired of it and quit. That should give you an idea of the environment of the banking world in which I lived for over 12 years.
It's not right, but it's what happened. I suspect it's probably still happening at that particular organization, but I've been out of there for 5 years now so I can only guess.
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Robin
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Posted 02-07-03 03:35 PM
quote:
AmyA wrote:
Lori Ann,
Have you contacted GM's employee relations department (usually a division of HR) about this? I had a nurse that harrassed me (and has a history of hard core harrrassment of others)for a 2 years (not like you have been harrassed, tho). I went to employee relations (after exhausting the chain of command, just as you have), and it did take some time, but she was officially "transferred" 2 weeks ago. She was put on notice during that admin time though that she was to act as if I didn't exist. Any contact with me (barring a medical emergency of a patient) was considered grounds for immediate dismissal.
I wonder if it also would help to 'remind' the company, that if after all the complaints THEY will be liable to any harrassment or injury to you.
Companies seem to give an issue a 'bit' more attention if they realize they are opening themselves up for a lawsuit. Have the men and women in your department presented an united front to management?
Bitchy woman huh? They're just begging for the chance to buy you a 365 days worth of points in the DVC.
I toss my cookies for Disney.
I wonder what inspired this new Disney T-shirt? "I'm right. You're wrong. Any Questions?"
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Crank
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Posted 02-07-03 04:35 PM
quote:
Robin wrote:
Bitchy woman
Redundant...
I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
BOYCOTT FRENCH TOAST, GERMAN SAUSAGE AND BELGIAN CHOCOLATES
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Robin
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Posted 02-07-03 05:47 PM
quote:
Crank wrote:
Redundant...
I guess that would explain why all men are a 'son of a bitch'.
I toss my cookies for Disney.
I wonder what inspired this new Disney T-shirt? "I'm right. You're wrong. Any Questions?"
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Mike
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Posted 02-07-03 07:42 PM
Lori.
I understand.
I work with someone similar and we've voted him most likely to go postal some day.
He shouldn't be working there but somehow he keeps on. In your line of work, the Union is probably the reason he's still there.
Management can be stupid sometimes for not taking action but, as one of them, I can also understand how sometimes they feel their hands are tied and they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Every move sets a precedent.
However, if you should end up with him and have problems - document is the best thing you can do. there's a difference between management's documentation and yours. Yours may not convince them to move him or fire him but it will protect you in the end.
Hope and pray it works out.
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Tink *~*~*
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Posted 02-07-03 08:16 PM
Lori,
This shit wouldn't fly where I work. You probably have grounds against the company for failure to protect your right to a safe and hostility-free work environment.
At the very least, the police should have been called regarding the firearm on the premesis. You think there's a chance it isn't registered?
Tink *~*~*
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anna
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Posted 02-07-03 10:36 PM
Some nut pulls a gun and isn't fired????? Ok, it's been about 14 years since I've worked the 9-5 grind. And this is why I now work from home. I was HR at most of my jobs and not one, really not one, didn't have the clause in their employee hand book under the section of conduct. Bringing a weapon of any kind onto the premises is grounds for immediate termination. Don't know how the union doesn't know this. If no union, how top mgmt doesn't know this. My advice: Document, and copy to someone outside of work for safekeeping. Get a lawyer and have him/her send a letter to mgmt. Call OSHA and your state labor board. That's just for starts. This is not bitchy girl stuff. This shit isn't funny. My last piece of advice would be no sudden movements around this asshole.
Luck to you!
anna
anna-who's usually surfing from the land of lurk.
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Dsorcerer
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Posted 02-08-03 12:25 AM
I can't comment as it may imply premeditation
"After all is said and done, usually more is said than done"
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fantayzya
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Posted 02-08-03 09:01 AM
Thank you all for reassuring me that I'm not nuts to be upset about them letting this guy come back. They really don't have to as he's been gone so long.
We're planning a documentation blitz and we'll also be reporting any and every wierd quirk or cross-eyed look. The bosses will be drowning in paperwork if we have our way.
As for reporting to HR or Labor Relations it's been done. In fact our local rep was at the meeting with my lead when she was told he was coming back. She's even taken it to Detroit (our corporate Labor Relations) so they are aware. She made it very clear when in that meeting that she'll do it again should anything happen, and if need be hire an outside lawyer. They don't appreciate having dirty laundry aired 'outside'
I'm not afraid of this guy really, but I will be looking over my shoulder and I won't be working with him. With luck, I won't have to follow him or deal with the idea of working in a die after him. They have assured my lead that they will 'try to keep him away from us' Not sure how they'll do that, but that's what they said. It's not a 'bitchy girl' thing at all, and the guys in the area feel the same way we gals do, so we have that going for us too. Although it tends to be every 'man' for himself in these things.
As for why he's still there, he has what we (not so) jokingly call a 'Crazy Card' He's been put out for discipline and required to get therapy. They called it work stress. Bingo. Free ride. Plus he has a knack for getting 'hurt' (thus the frequent med leaves) ankles, back. Of course never when anyone else is around, but again, he's got them. The gun thing, heck he didn't actually shoot the thing. There are guys around there who actually shot someone, child molesters, theives, drunks, addicts. You name it. As long as no one outside sees the dirty laundry, they put them in the EAP (Employee Assistance Program) and figure it's a jewel in their crown. And of course the union protects them too. I pay them 60.00 a month to do it! Yes, we also have a zero tolerance policy. Which many of us have renamed 'Zero Tolerance Unless...' If I were to crack an ethnic joke and the wrong person heard it I'd be outta there. If I did anything even remotely out of sorts, I'd be out of there. Unless 1) I had recently undergone treatment, suggested by the EAP for some psych condition, or 2) I had something on someone higher on the ladder.
Anyway, enough. Thanks again for letting me vent. I'll be careful and if the opportunity presents itself, I'll shove him down a scrap shoot and then go sit in a bench and appear to be catatonic.
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian in Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
Visit WDW with my son Nate and I at Fantayzya and Nate See the World
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Tink *~*~*
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Posted 02-08-03 09:15 AM
Hey Fan
Evil thought. Get into the EAP program yourself, and your friends too, because the stress of having to face this guy on the job again is just too much for you all. Miss days of work because of it. ALL of you have your therapists call you in sick for it, ALL at the same time, for oh let's say a week. You are all just too traumatized to work, cannot sleep, cannot eat, etc.
Work the system, baby!
Tink *~*~*
Tink *~*~*
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TrpltJanie
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Posted 02-08-03 11:42 AM
OH MY CURLERS!! I hope things work out okay with you and your co-workers. Talk about scary!
Janie
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maryyyy
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Posted 02-09-03 09:43 AM
Where I work we are union and this would have not been tolorated at all. Our handbook states that even if you have a hunting rifle in you car your can be fired. File a grievece with your union and if they do nothing get your own lawyer and file a suit. Does your company want to deal with one wacko fileing suit or a whole bunch of you. Get your staate labor board involved. YELL SCREAM AND BE A BITCH. Like anything else in life not one cares about you as much as you do. Stay safe.
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Tink *~*~*
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Posted 02-09-03 06:01 PM
Babe
In
Total
Control of
HERSELF
[Edited by Tink *~*~*]
Tink *~*~*
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Crank
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Posted 02-09-03 07:49 PM
quote:
Tink *~*~* wrote:
[Edited by Tink *~*~*]
Well, *almost* total control...
I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
BOYCOTT FRENCH TOAST, GERMAN SAUSAGE AND BELGIAN CHOCOLATES
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judy
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Posted 02-09-03 10:24 PM
OK - the guy has serious psychiatric problems. He needs medication, AND he needs to COMPLETE an anger management program. (you wouldn't believe how many guys go once or twice and drop out)
I'd suggest that the EAP thing be looked into. It's possible that he was referred fot treatment that he then did not complete - like a psychiatric evaluation, or an anger program. If he didn't follow through with treatment, after being sent to EAP for help with a work-related problem, they might be able to get rid of him on that basis.
I mean, suppose he went for counseling - had to, as a condition of staying employed. And the counselor said, "you could have bipolar disorder (one possibility) - here's the name of a psychiatrist, you need to follow up and see if medication would help you." If he didn't go to a psychiatrist, or if he did go, but doesn't take mediaction that was prescribed, then he didn't follow the EAP "plan," and shouldn't be allowed back at work. just a thought.
Sorry you have to put up with him - you shouldn't have to deal with crazy, violent people at work.
judy
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