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Robey
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Posted 01-27-03
04:37 PM
The issue at
hand is not parental abuse, per se. It is the dangerousness
of it all. As I said, there were no permits pulled
in the renovating of the premises. There is a darn
good reason for having those permits.
The garage is a full time domicile. Has been since the
child's birth. One other neighbor, truly concerned, (and
an undercover cop by profession) brought the issue up with
HER father of allowing the child and his mother to move
into the apartment upstairs from him, and her father said, “If
it wasn’t for the boy, that bitch wouldn’t be living here
at all”! kinda gives you a clue, eh?
quote:
LL wrote: We have no clue (and it's none of our business)
what our neighbors do in the privacy of their own homes.
While I don't hold with the "punished" theory that
Karma put forth, I can easily imagine the parents throwing
together some kind of living arrangement to keep their
daughter and grandchild off the streets.
I will agree with this possibility. Nonetheless, the living
arrangements are extremely dangerous. I would even say
that the child may be in immediate personal danger, but
has been extremely lucky to date. I do not think you can
count on the mother to make an appropriate decision regarding
this. Honestly, I do believe she has some mental deficiencies.
(many conversations with her when she is walking by as
I am outside.) She says some rather inappropriate things.
Honestly, I am not judging the lifestyle. It does not bother
me at all, and it is none of my business.
My dilemma comes from the hazardous part of it all, and
there is a child living in it.
quote:
The average layman isn't and when that layman butts
his/her nose into situations that they only have an
inkling of what's going on, it create more work for
people like Ajax.
I agree. Isn’t that why a State agency should be contacted
to investigate?
Obviously I know way more than I am putting out there.
(not gossip, pure observation) but I wanted to abbreviate
it so that I could get a clue as to what to do.
I am not a busybody. Quite the opposite. But I am very
concerned.
I always wondered why somebody didn't do something
about that. Then I realized I was somebody. --Lily Tomlin |
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Karma
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Posted 01-27-03
04:40 PM
quote:
Lunarlady wrote:
That man needs a woman.
EEK! Caretaking! EEK!! Caretaking! What woman needs a man
so bad she wants to FIX him and his messes! EEK! LOL LOL
Then again, I did have to teach my hubby how to brush his
TEETH! EEK! LOL
Just curious where you all live, because we have many homes
that are filled with children and families up here and
those homes are clearly fire hazards and junk yards. I
wouldn't dream of turning those people in for living in
such poor conditions, children or not...I'm sure I don't
live in the only area where there are homes and families
like this.
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judy
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Posted 01-27-03
04:42 PM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
I'd call PS in a heartbeat, Robey. That sounds like a
very unhealthy situation. A PS referral in Michigan doesn't
always mean that the kid will be snatched and placed
in foster care. They might just help the people apply
for programs that will remedy or at least improve the
situation, mandate counseling, and keep an eye on them.
We have an outfit with my branch of the Family Independence
Agency called 'Prevention'whose function is to guide
families at risk away from situations that might result
in a full blown crisis. When the alternatives are pointed
out to them, many of our PS clients shape up.
Agreed - as a mental health professional, i have a legal
obligation to report any suspected abuse or neglect of
a minor. Here, it's the state Dept of Children & family
services that's called. And families are referred for education,
parenting classes, mental health services, all the time.
The thing is - you don't know what could be going on -
Blank vacant looks can be from drug abuse, can be from
carbon monoxide - like using an outdoor grill in their
living quarters.
Anyway - if it were me, I'd report it. Only because it
COULD be a dangerous situation for the kid, and someone
should look into it. Like Ajax, i draw a line between adults
being stupid and inflicting theri stupidity on children.
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Robey
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Posted 01-27-03
04:51 PM
quote:
Karma wrote:
I'm sure I don't live in the only area where there are
homes and families like this.
I am sure these domociles exist, and I have said the same
thing over and over and over again~ to myself.
Then, that child died in Boston. That child lived under
the exact same living conditions as my neighbor.
I am telling you, it is NOT easy! It haunts me. What if....
I grew up in an area such as you described. It was nothing
out of the ordinary. However, things are not the same here.
As it should be ~IMO.
I mean whats to stop someone from pitching a tent in the
front yard and running a hose off of their muffler for
heat?
I know that is an extreme, but where is the line drawn?
I always wondered why somebody didn't do something
about that. Then I realized I was somebody. --Lily Tomlin |
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Karma
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Posted 01-27-03
04:56 PM
It is scary
to watch and truly not know what to do or say in
a situation like you're describing.
One thought is has anyone befriended the child? Does the
boy have a friend or neighbor where he CAN go if his situation
calls for it?
Does the child KNOW that he can knock on someones door
and ask for help?
We've enabled our grandchild by giving her all sorts of
information that other children don't usually have to know
about their lives...and by giving her the info that we
have, she has been able to remove herself from situations
and call a grandparent or other family member if/when needed...she's
only 6 but she isn't stupid. 
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
05:25 PM
LL wrote-
quote:
That man needs a woman.
He sure as hell does! He's the one who told me I look like
Richard Gere! We're looking, believe me.
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Lunarlady
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Posted 01-27-03
05:25 PM
Robey -
There are very few situations in my real life where I have
interfered. The most recent one was a few years ago when
my neighbor's wife died (older man) and three months later
I found one of his beagles in my yard. I remembered that
I hadn't seen him around for awhile, although his car was
in the driveway.
His dogs would NEVER get out of his yard. He was very conciencious
about the care of his beagles, therefore a flag went up
in my mind that something could be wrong and he was all
alone over there. In that case, I followed my instincts
and called the county sheriff (no local police, just county
in my township) and asked them to check it out.
Everything turned out OK, the stupid mutt (who loved kitty
treats BTW) figured out how to get out of his pen, but
obviously didn't show his other two buddies how to do it,
and the older gentleman was at one of his son's house for
the day. I put the baby back into his pen, secured it as
well as I could and we called it good.
My point is that I didn't start second-guessing, I didn't
make a huge deal of it on the internet, I didn't take a
poll on what to do. The old man's house was unlocked (the
sheriff went in expecting him to either have committed
suicide or have fallen) but I didn't take it upon myself
to find that out.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you have to
follow your instincts, Robey. If you don't have that immediate
knee-jerk intuition that something's not right based
on your everyday experiences, then chances are you
may be over-reacting based on input from papers and the
news. (Of course, that's just my opinion) You're also suffering
from the "do-good" syndrome that states:
Because you didn't call and/or get involved,
a child died. It's your fault.
Obviously I don't subscribe to that theory. In fact, I
vehemently oppose it. If a child dies in a fire created
by the carelessness of his/her parents, that's not my fault.
If a child is beaten to death, the person who did the beating
is at fault, not me. Just because I lived next door doesn't
mean I have to take the blame for other people's actions.
However, if a child is being beaten (and I'm not talking
spanking - I'm talking closed fist, parent in a blue-bloody
rage) right in front of me, that's different and I may
wind up in jail for what I would do to the parent.
In my case of my neighbor, my antenae immediately went
up because of an obvious incident. (Dog is out of pen.
Dog is NEVER out of pen. Something may be wrong.) In my
case, things turned out well and my neighbor probably thinks
I'm a do-gooder, busy-body. I've never heard from him or
his children, so I'm counting myself lucky because you
know what they say about good deeds:
No good deed goes unpunished.
No one can tell you what to do, Robey, because no one has
to live your life or live the consequences of your actions.
If you choose to get involved, be prepared for changes
in the relationship of your son and his friend. According
to you, this boy has lived this way for 14 years. He's
4 years away from being free of the situation. (2 years
if he goes for emmancipation at 16) I can guarantee there WILL be
changes.
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Robey
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Posted 01-27-03
05:28 PM
Karma,
Remember it is his grandparents that put them there.
As for others~
His behavior alienates him from any friends or at least
that friend's parents. I speak from experience. I allowed
him to visit my home to play with my son many times over
the years and attempted to convey appropriate behavior
in a non-judgemental and nice way. But the nicer I was,
the worse he got.
After having a new deck installed on my house, he decided
to take a bicycle chain and beat the crap out of the new
railings! His mother's response? "No he didn't".
He walked into a "Soccer Shack" at the local soccer field
and stuffed his pockets with candy bars and left without
paying for them. (someone had forgotten to lock it after
a game.) His mother's response (to the police)? "Well,
what do you expect, the door was unlocked".
The last straw for me was after I worked for weeks installing
a waterfall and pond in my backyard (my pride and joy)
and he intentional cut holes in it. Yes I saw it, as did
3 of his 'friends'. His mother's response? "No he didn't".
And that was that.
Now you would think that given these things, I would definetely
pick up the phone. But instead, it makes me stop and question
myself as to my true motive here. I want to be extremely
careful that it is not a vengeful thing. That is why I
am asking you folks here.
I am truly trying to do the right thing.
I always wondered why somebody didn't do something
about that. Then I realized I was somebody. --Lily Tomlin |
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Lunarlady
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Posted 01-27-03
05:31 PM
My opinion?
Back away.
Don't allow him near your house again.
When he's vandalizing your property, call the police. Let
them take it from there. If the police feel that his situation
is unhealthy, they'll remove him from it.
But that's just my opinion. Others may vary.
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Robey
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Posted 01-27-03
05:33 PM
quote:
Lunarlady wrote:
You're also suffering from the "do-good" syndrome that
states:
Because you didn't call and/or get
involved, a child died. It's your fault.
He's 4 years away from being free of the situation. (2
years if he goes for emmancipation at 16) I can guarantee
there WILL be changes.
I suspect you are correct on both counts.
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about that. Then I realized I was somebody. --Lily Tomlin |
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Karma
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Posted 01-27-03
05:42 PM
quote:
Lunarlady wrote:
You're also suffering from the "do-good" syndrome that
states:
Because you didn't call and/or get
involved, a child died. It's your fault.
Actually, that was the only real point I was trying to
convey...was that no matter what happens, no matter what
good intentions you have, not EVERY child or person in
rotten situations can be saved.
You ARE gonna see kids vandalize (like you're seeing now)
and you're gonna be fairly helpless to control the situation...other
than just to call the authorities and let THEM handle it.
Sadly, there are more and more situations like the one
you're describing...and more and more children that are
going off the deep end at very young ages.
Hard to watch and it's just as hard to understand.
I feel for ya with your neighbor boy.
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
06:10 PM
Vandalism is
ofter the first step to 'bigger and better' things.
Several years ago, a family that should have been
split asunder was allowed to keep on developing as
a totally disfunctional criminal enterprise. It all
came to a head when one of the kids, six years old
at the time, shot a classmate in the face with a
.25 caliber pistol. She died on the spot.
So we're a little jumpy around here on the 'drop a dime'
issue.
If that kid strikes again Robey, get it on record quickly
with the local police. If you don't save that kid, you
might save one of his future victims, including yourself.
I'm not trying to be a hard-ass here, folks. I've seen
kids, little kids, do things to inantimate objects, their
pets, and each other that you can't believe.
Use your common sense, but if you suspect parental or sibling
abuse, or have a delinquent child running amok in your
neighborhood, report it.
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judy
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Posted 01-27-03
06:24 PM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
Vandalism is ofter the first step to 'bigger and better'
things. Several years ago, a family that should have
been split asunder was allowed to keep on developing
as a totally disfunctional criminal enterprise. It all
came to a head when one of the kids, six years old at
the time, shot a classmate in the face with a .25 caliber
pistol. She died on the spot.
So we're a little jumpy around here on the 'drop a dime'
issue.
If that kid strikes again Robey, get it on record quickly
with the local police. If you don't save that kid, you
might save one of his future victims, including yourself.
I'm not trying to be a hard-ass here, folks. I've seen
kids, little kids, do things to inantimate objects, their
pets, and each other that you can't believe.
Use your common sense, but if you suspect parental or
sibling abuse, or have a delinquent child running amok
in your neighborhood, report it.
Again - to chime in here with Ajax - you have to understand
that most kids know that vandalism is wrong because their
parents teach them that it is. Some kids grow up in families
where they are NOT taught anything like that - They learn
from their parents to take what they want, and to destroy
stuff if they're angry. A lot of hardened criminals are
the way they are because they didn't have any parenting
at all.
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Karma
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Posted 01-27-03
06:49 PM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
Vandalism is ofter the first step to 'bigger and better'
things. Several years ago, a family that should have
been split asunder was allowed to keep on developing
as a totally disfunctional criminal enterprise. It all
came to a head when one of the kids, six years old at
the time, shot a classmate in the face with a .25 caliber
pistol. She died on the spot.
So we're a little jumpy around here on the 'drop a dime'
issue.
If that kid strikes again Robey, get it on record quickly
with the local police. If you don't save that kid, you
might save one of his future victims, including yourself.
I'm not trying to be a hard-ass here, folks. I've seen
kids, little kids, do things to inantimate objects, their
pets, and each other that you can't believe.
Use your common sense, but if you suspect parental or
sibling abuse, or have a delinquent child running amok
in your neighborhood, report it.
I guess I'm just coming from a very discouraged place.
I've seen what children can do to animals. I've seen young
men totally obsessed with knives and skulls, death oriented
stuff...and I've reported such business only to be told "we're
already aware of the situation"....and THEN only to watch
seemingly NOTHING happen via law enforcement or social
service involvement.
I would guess social services were overwhelmed with parents
reporting foolish things such as a parent giving a child
a spanking and having to deal with that kind of garbage
before they could take care of the real true problems out
there, like the kids we're discussing.
I think this is what LL was getting at in the first place.
To try to understand why people resort to reporting stupid
little crap, the little crap that uses our resources before
the resources can be used for REAL problems that exist
out in the real world.
The young men I reported have grown into very scary young
adults. I look for their names to be listed before too
long in the court proceedings page of our local paper.
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Coastalwader
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Posted 01-27-03
06:54 PM
Robey, didn't
you say one of your neighbors was an undercover cop?
I'd give him a call and voice your concerns. He might
have some insight or even some info about whether
or not this has ever been investigated.
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
07:15 PM
With the emphasis
on welfare reform, our PS units suffered statewide.
Our PS district was so overwhelmed prior to the Kayla Rowlands
killing that if I saw a suspected case of abuse while conducting
an interview and called them up, they'd ask 'Is any blood
or fresh bruising visible?'
Our clients were becoming so bold that we had a woman pull
out an 18 inch bamboo flail that she'd made out of a cane
fishing pole and go to work on her grandchild, right in
our lobby! She wento jail. Her argument was that her mom
had done it to her, so it was good enough for the grandkids.
I'm not talking about a swat on the rear for misbehavior-
our daughter had her share of those. I'm talking about
kids who receive savage beatings weekly, sometimes daily.
All to frequently they grow into sociopaths who aren't
afraid of anything. They'll take your life for the change
in your pocket, and make sure you hurt plenty before you
die.
We had three people murdered in Flint this past week by
a 5 member gang of animals that also raped and beat their
victims, two women and a man. After they sodomized the
man, they made him run naked down the street while they
took shots at him. He ran up onto a porch and started screaming
for help, and that's where they did him in.
When we found out who they were, we 'File Cleared' them
on our computer to see if they had any active assistance
programs open. Every one of them had had contact with our
PS unit over the years.
Not every kid who blows up a mailbox, beats up his little
sister, or takes a weekly whuppin' from a drunken parent
will become the next Charles Mansion. But there sure is
a connection.
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Karma
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Posted 01-27-03
07:24 PM
The world is
getting to be a very scary place.
I wonder what some of the solutions will be. For the crazy
woman in town, people wanted her doctor to not allow her
to have more...and I mean after the second child, but you
can't tell people how many children they can have, sad
to say.
Why are people getting so darn twisted in their behavior?
I wanted to go into social work but I knew the frustration
would ultimately be my undoing, so I just ignored the thought
of it being something I wanted to do. I don't envy anyone
who works in the system. I'm guessing frustration and burnout
are mighty high.
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
07:49 PM
Karma said-
quote:
I wanted to go into social work but I knew the
frustration would ultimately be my undoing, so
I just ignored the thought of it being something
I wanted to do.
Yep. I left the ADC program and took a job administering
Medicaid, Food Benefits & Emergency relief programs rather
than do the home calls that became mandatory with the '96
TANF reforms. Too many of our ADC clients in Genesee Co
become PS cases.
I could never be a PS worker. I won't tolerate abusing
a child, and I'm certain I'd take the law into my own hands.
PS workers burn out quickly.
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Robey
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Posted 01-27-03
08:35 PM
quote:
Coastalwader wrote:
Robey, didn't you say one of your neighbors was an undercover
cop? I'd give him a call and voice your concerns. He
might have some insight or even some info about whether
or not this has ever been investigated.
He is encouraging me to call. Says he and his wife will "support
it". I have no idea why he hasn't done it himself. I dunno...........
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judy
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Posted 01-27-03
11:24 PM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
Not every kid who blows up a mailbox, beats up his little
sister, or takes a weekly whuppin' from a drunken parent
will become the next Charles Mansion. But there sure
is a connection.
And the weird thng is - there are always a few kids who
defy the odds. Kids who come from great families, and turn
out to be horrid. And kids who have awful backgrounds,
and rise above it to become more than anyone had ever expected.
These kids are the exceptions.
There's no clear cause and effect relationship. But one
thing is clear - if a kid doesn't have someone who cares
about his well-being while he is young, he has almost no
chance of caring about anyone else's well-being later.
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Sirius
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Posted 01-27-03
11:36 PM
Well, this
is a difficult subject to be sure. I do agree that
you must follow your deepest instincts in this matter.
If there is something truly dangerous going on, it
probably is your moral duty to report it.
However, I caution you on several counts. First of all,
given your history with the family, I guarantee they will
know who reported them even if you request to remain anonymous.
Don't kid yourself, this will forever change your relationship
with the family. Now this may be a price you are willing
to pay, but be aware.
Next, consider the end result of your report. If the child
is in danger, he may be better off removed from the custody
of this mother. However, in all likelihood, he will not
be removed but the home he has will be taken away. You
will be forcing this mother (obviously not capable of supporting
herself) out of the only pitiful home she has. Although
the parents have another rental apartment, I don't think
it is fair to assume that they don't depend on this income.
If the mother is forced out, where will she live? Could
it be that this report will either result in two homeless
people or a child put into a heartless and cruel foster
care system at the rather unattractive age of 14? Good
foster homes are few and far between believe me. Think
hard about what you "know" and what you are "assuming" here.
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Posted 01-27-03
11:42 PM
quote:
judy wrote:
And the weird thng is - there are always a few kids who
defy the odds. Kids who come from great families, and
turn out to be horrid. And kids who have awful backgrounds,
and rise above it to become more than anyone had ever
expected. These kids are the exceptions.
There's no clear cause and effect relationship. But one
thing is clear - if a kid doesn't have someone who cares
about his well-being while he is young, he has almost
no chance of caring about anyone else's well-being later.
Oh so not true. I came from a very well off family.
Because two GREAT men stood up to them I lived to
raise two wonderful sons. Watching them with my Grandson
is my greatest pride. Read "A Child Called It" some
of us do live and make it! I lived through all of
it but the bleach. Only because SHE did not think
of it. The buck stopped here because people cared.
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Robey
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Posted 01-28-03
12:52 AM
Thanks Sirius.
Good advice.
So you know...I am not the only one that has a problem
with this family. Nor am I the "vocal" one in the neighborhood!  I
have no relationship with them, as the children were the
only common denominator. That has ceased. So no loss.
I do fear for what MIGHT happen if I do place the call.
I also fear for what MIGHT happen if I don't.
Ahhh life's tribulations. 
I always wondered why somebody didn't do something
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Sirius
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Posted 01-28-03
02:05 AM
A hard decision
to be sure.
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lesa
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Posted 01-28-03
08:11 AM
quote:
mickeybar wrote:
What amazes me about Ron NG is that he is so prolific.
He not only has time for RADP, but other NG's as well.
Although what he is doing at alt.wedding, I'll never
fathom. 
Ron Ng is at alt.wedding?!?! I'm almost interested enough
to check it out....
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lesa
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Posted 01-28-03
08:18 AM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
With a CPS district taking up the two floors beneath
me, I see both sides of the problem regarding 'what to
report'. Often the most disturbing, detailed reports
are anonymous nonsense on behalf of someone trying to
cause trouble.
On the other hand, serial abusers are very careful
about what they do or display in public. It's the little
things, like a child wearing a long sleeved shirt and
jeans on a 100-degree day in July, that often tip you
to a problem. When I see something that's not quite right,
I don't hesitate to question the parent and make a CPS
referral if I think it's warranted. I've seen too many
vacant eyes that should be smiling. I don't want any
on my conscience.
I'm very glad to hear you take the time to talk and look
into things before you call. Being the parent of a child
with a form of autism (and dealing with full body restraint
in public to head-off a severe flight response, or his
being covered in sores from self-sbusing, or the hours
he'd spend yelling and moaning at the top of his lungs
over a reliatively minor something like a mosquito bite)I've
had my share of CPS calls from "caring strangers". As a
result I tend to have the "buzz off and mind your own freaking
business" feeling toward the situation.
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Robey
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Posted 01-28-03
10:46 AM
quote:
lesa wrote:
Being the parent of a child with a form of autism (and
dealing with full body restraint in public to head-off
a severe flight response, or his being covered in sores
from self-sbusing.
You know, when you think you have it tough, listen to those
that REALLY have it tough! You, lady, (lesa) are my hero.
God Bless.
I always wondered why somebody didn't do something
about that. Then I realized I was somebody. --Lily Tomlin |
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Crank
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Posts: 1957
Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-28-03
01:08 PM
quote:
Robey wrote:
You know, when you think you have it tough, listen to
those that REALLY have it tough! You, lady, (lesa) are
my hero. God Bless.
Amen...
I like persons better than principles, and I like
persons with no principles better than anything else in
the world.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
BOYCOTT FRENCH TOAST, GERMAN SAUSAGE AND BELGIAN CHOCOLATES
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lesa
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Registered: Aug 2002
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Posted 01-28-03
05:03 PM
quote:
Robey wrote:
You know, when you think you have it tough, listen to
those that REALLY have it tough! You, lady, (lesa) are
my hero. God Bless.
I dunno, I've just always taken it in stride as part of
being a parent.
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Crank
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Posted 01-28-03
06:13 PM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
LL wrote-
He sure as hell does! He's the one who told me I look
like Richard Gere! We're looking, believe me.
He needs an Optometrist too!!
I like persons better than principles, and I like
persons with no principles better than anything else in
the world.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
BOYCOTT FRENCH TOAST, GERMAN SAUSAGE AND BELGIAN CHOCOLATES
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