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Lunarlady
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Posted 01-27-03
10:55 AM
Today
I spent my brunch looking
over the DIS and RADP.
I've come to a conclusion:
People would be happier if they stopped minding other people's
business.
I thought I'd seen it all when I read that someone was OUTRAGED
that they saw a mini-van passing by and there was a baby
in a car seat in the FRONT SEAT and it WASN'T BUCKLED UP!!
(horrors) But I finally had to surf away when they said they
would have called the police except they didn't want to take
an officer away from what could be a life-saving mission
just to find this woman who was killing her child.
Ok. That's it. I'm out of the pool.
So I go over to RADP and hook up with threads about Disney's
Gay Days and came across some Ron NG "pearls of wisdom" (most
of his pearls seem to be "So and So is a bad parent). Worst
of all, there are people out there actually defending themselves
from others who are criticizing their business instead
of minding their own.
Am I the only one who thinks that if you have time to tell
other people what to do, you obviously don't have much going
on in your own life? Am I the only one who lives by the credo:
If you have time to gossip and pass judgement, you just don't
have enough work to do?
It just gets to me sometimes. Asking for opinions is one
thing (Can I take a booster seat on a plane? Should I pack
formula in carry on or checked luggage? Do you think my 5
y/o will miss anything from kindergarten if I pull her out
for 3 days?) But people who flat out post their outrage over
a stranger who is doing something they don't like.....JESUS!
And to post their "reasoning" for their outrage (I care about
the children) as an excuse to lambaste a total stranger they
saw on the freeway this morning. Ach!!!
Thanks for letting me get that out of my system. I know,
I know....I'm just as bad by posting my disgust with strangers
and how they behave. Let's just say I'm waiting for the dryer
to finish before I go to work on the dishes.  (I
don't have enough to do right now.)
[Edited by Lunarlady]
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Mary
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Posted 01-27-03
11:23 AM
I,
too, feel your pain LL.
Mary
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fantayzya
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Posted 01-27-03
11:48 AM
I
think part of it is a way/need
to vent frustration with
what bothers us. The net
is the equivilant of the
old water cooler for many
folks.
Odds are this person simply was concerned about what appeared
to be in their opinion, a lack of attention to the child's
safety. This kind of thing frustrates me too, so I too might
have posted something had it happened to me.
I guess I don't always see stating your opinion on something,
like a belief that kids should be buckled when in the car,
and how frustrating it is when you see wee ones who aren't
afforded what you consider this basic measure of safety as
being a bad thing, or as you suggested, as forcing your views
on others. Either you agree or disagree, regardless of the
opinion stated. Why should it generate anger, frustration,
offense or discomfort if it's not a shared view?
Heck, my views differ from people often. Are they wrong?
am I? Who knows. What I do know is that they are entitled
to their views, as am I, and that my views are right....
for me.
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian in
Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside
my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in
the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
11:54 AM
LL
wrote-
quote:
So I go over to
RADP and hook up with
threads about Disney's
Gay Days and came across
some Ron NG "pearls
of wisdom" -snip-
That gent is like tombo with a dictionary. He's gotta be
a troll.
Did you see me at EPCOT on New Years Eve? I was wearing
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TrpltJanie
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Posted 01-27-03
12:25 PM
Ron
Ng is someone that I like
to kick around. Sorry but
when he jumped in and started
blasting me for my child
rearing tactics, I dared
him to come over to my
house and show me the correct
way of doing things and
started calling him Dr.
Spock. He went NUTS and
started calling me names
and I went along with it
by saying things like "I
plan to have my kid smoking
and drinking by the age
of nine and I'm teaching
my youngest on how to shoplift" and
all that jazz. He kept
saying "Ron Ng knows" while
I returned with "Ron Ng
BLOWS!"
I had a hoot teasing him and other RADP members joined in
the kidding. You see---it pays to have a very good sense
of humor about things and I found it a very good way of getting
rid of the trolls. 
Come on..LL....let's see that smile of yours. Have a good
chuckle or two. Watch some old Benny Hill shows--I saw one
for the first time last Saturday and OH MY CURLERS! It was
a bit CHEEKY but funny!
I hear you chuckling LL!
Janie
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Lunarlady
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Posted 01-27-03
12:41 PM
Yeah,
I'm chuckling now Janie.
Thanks!
It just amazes (and sometimes angers) me when people say
things like they want to call the police or CPS for things
like not buckling in kids and stuff like that. The reason
it bothers me is that because of idiotic minor complaints
like this, that child that was found starved to death and
his two brothers starving and locked up in a room.
The police and CPS are already overburdened without adding
on little PITA things like "I saw her put her baby seat in
the FRONT seat and not buckle it up" to these already overburdened
public workers. I feel that people minding other people's
business is one of the reasons for our "bursting at the seams" foster
kids programs.
Venting and steaming is fine, but it leads to people thinking
that they have the whole world behind them (instead of the
10-12 anonymous agreeable posters) when they pick up that
phone to call the police on the next door neighbors whose
2 y/o child just ran out of the house sans diaper and mommy
wasn't immediately following. Moral outrage is rampant on
the internet BB's I've been to and I can only hope that it
doesn't continue to grow and become malignant in our real,
everyday lives.
What busybodies like this don't (or refuse) to realize is
that every call gets paperwork started and common sense is
not allowed when responding to a "child abuse" call, no matter
how silly or stupid the initial call may have been.
If we all minded our own personal business instead of being "vigilant" and "watchful" of
all the tedious, infinitesimal behaviors of our civilian
population, perhaps there wouldn't be so much rage and anger
and defensiveness out there.
Or maybe we should just nuke it all and let Nature start
it up all over again.
Arg.
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Crank
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Posted 01-27-03
12:44 PM
Just
be glad you missed the "breastfeeding
a two-year-old in line
for Buzz Lightyear thread"...
I'm totally serious...
[Edited by Crank]
I like persons better than principles, and I like
persons with no principles better than anything else in the
world.
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mickeybar
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Posted 01-27-03
12:55 PM
What
amazes me about Ron NG
is that he is so prolific.
He not only has time for
RADP, but other NG's as
well. Although what he
is doing at alt.wedding,
I'll never fathom.
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fantayzya
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Posted 01-27-03
01:11 PM
edited
to say I vented, voiced
some opinions, shared some
stories about what happens
when people mind their
own affairs and decided
to mind mine.
[Edited by fantayzya]
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian in
Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside
my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in
the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
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Lunarlady
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Posted 01-27-03
01:13 PM
quote:
Crank wrote:
Just be glad you missed the "breastfeeding a two-year-old
in line for Buzz Lightyear thread"...
I'm totally serious...
[Edited by Crank]
I'm very glad I missed
that one. It's an example
of what I'm talking about.
It's none of my business what other people do regarding breastfeeding
and/or age appropriate children threads. I think it would
bother me if she was doing it while riding TOT, but as long
as the child didn't hit ME when it flew out of it's mother's
arms during a drop sequence I'd have to say "More power to
ya".
I'm a huge believer in God/Mother Nature weeding out the
flaws in the gene pool. People who aren't taking the utmost
care of their children should have been good candidates for
abortion, but this is where my arguments split off and go
two ways:
1). With the way we're going on getting Roe v. Wade overturned,
I'm sure we're going to see many more abused/neglected kids
as well as an influx and extreme overflow in our social programs.
2). What about the parent who is a good parent, but
is having a bad day and may find it easier to put Jr. in
the front seat instead of the back?
Arg. I'm going to go outside and do something productive.
Suffice it to say, I'm glad I haven't made Ron NG's acquaintence
and I'm grateful for people like Janie who get a kick out
of pulling his chain. Someone that tightly wound should probably
have a heart attack ASAP and be put out of his/her misery.
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Lunarlady
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Posted 01-27-03
01:19 PM
quote:
fantayzya wrote:
Or we could all just mind our own affairs and not report
the 'silly little things' and wait till they become important
big things like the girl next door who's parents 'didn't
see her' 6 times before running over various parts of her
body with the car.
Bingo!
And on that note, I'm dropping this argument at this time
to do some real world stuff. I'll probably be back later
on. Please don't think I'm ignoring you, I just need to invest
my daylight hours into daylight stuff. I can web-argue when
that's done.
BTW, nice little grocery list saga of "oh that horrible family!!!".
And where was all this published? or was it just neighborhood
gossip that got blown severly out of proportion?
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with a kiss. |
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fantayzya
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Posted 01-27-03
01:39 PM
Actually,
it is my next door neighbors
and they were/are more
than happy to share it
all in over the fence conversation.
Or actually allow anyone
with-in view or earshot
to witness the drama. Much
of it I saw/heard or experienced
the fall out of it personally.
But, you'll see, I edited, removing it. None of that was
my opinion really, just what happened and how it all turned
out. so far anyway. What I was looking for, at least originally,
was opinions on when others should be concerned, get involved
or even be allowed to vent some frustration over what they
observe? if ever. But on thinking about it a few minutes
more, I decided that odds are pretty good that my opinion
about things like this probably won't influence anyone else's
any more than their views will influence mine, so there was
no point in leaving it up. Sorry to have stirred the pot.
On that note, time to go to work.
"One small drop of water raises the sea" Marian in
Dinotopia
"One who grows does not grow old"-Texas Bix Bender, writer
"Look Mommy," he whispered. "The butterflies are dancing!" At that moment, inside
my soul somewhere, all the tumblers fell into place."-Kathy Storfer, "A Dig in
the Dirt," Green Prints Spring 1997
Visit WDW with my son Nate and I at Fantayzya
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Tink
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Posted 01-27-03
01:43 PM
quote:
mickeybar wrote:
What amazes me about Ron NG is that he is so prolific.
He not only has time for RADP, but other NG's as well.
Although what he is doing at alt.wedding, I'll never fathom.
He's over at rec.sport.skating.ice.figure quite a bit too.
I didn't know that he was cheating on us until I took a look
at RADP one day a couple years ago. Jeeze, we figure skating
fans thought he was OUR troll!
Tink *~*~* |
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Parker
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Posted 01-27-03
01:46 PM
Minding
other people's business
takes a little common sense
to know when its something
you should be involved
in and something you shouldn't.
That's what makes it so
hard.
Speak your mind,
but ride a fast horse. |
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
02:06 PM
With
a CPS district taking up
the two floors beneath
me, I see both sides of
the problem regarding 'what
to report'. Often the most
disturbing, detailed reports
are anonymous nonsense
on behalf of someone trying
to cause trouble.
On the other hand, serial abusers are very careful
about what they do or display in public. It's the little
things, like a child wearing a long sleeved shirt and jeans
on a 100-degree day in July, that often tip you to a problem.
When I see something that's not quite right, I don't hesitate
to question the parent and make a CPS referral if I think
it's warranted. I've seen too many vacant eyes that should
be smiling. I don't want any on my conscience.
Did you see me at EPCOT
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Dab
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Posted 01-27-03
03:15 PM
quote:
Crank wrote:
Just be glad you missed the "breastfeeding a two-year-old
in line for Buzz Lightyear thread"...
I'm totally serious...
[Edited by Crank]
I found a good way to get my frustrations out, go over to
the parenting board and read for awhile. I swear, I just
don't know what all of this new parenting ways.
Same with Atkins and other diet boards. I swear some of these
people start going into all this medical diagnosis who have
no training and sound pretty convincing.
It's fun to "watch" .
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Robey
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Posted 01-27-03
03:16 PM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
I've seen too many vacant eyes that should be smiling.
I don't want any on my conscience.
Boy oh boy.............has this stirred up something that
has been festering at me for a long time..... So , Opinions
are being asked for..you too LL! 
A 14 year old pain in the ass child (always getting into
mischief) lives down the street from me. he lives with his
mother who is definetely "not all there". She is in her mid-to-late
twenties. They live in a converted garage that is about 200
yards from the main house where her parents live. Off of
her garage is an attached car port.
This garage has been wired and plumbed off of the main house.
No permits, nothing. Electricity, phone (same as main house)
water. The garage door has been permentently closed and 2
cars block it anyway. The Carport is where she parks a HUGE
OLD SUV. That is also where the entrance to their "home" is.
There is absolutely no way that door can open more than 10-12
inches when the vehicle is there.
Inside, there is a kitchen, bathroom and LR/Bedroom. All
together about the size of an All-Star Room. They have been
living like this for years, but it only came to my direct
attention this year when I went to fetch my son there. I
am not sure what they are using for heat. It is bitter cold
out.
My dilemna? Do I raise the issue with child protective services,
or "mind my own damn business"? Keep in mind this type of
living conditions caused a child to die in a fire in November
because they could not get out in time. (Front Page, Boston
Globe)
The kicker?
Her parents live in the main house and rents out a 3 bedroom
apartment on the second level to a complete stranger. (For
Income)
Many issues here besides safety, as you can well imagine.
The beds are 6 inches away from each other. This child is
a teenager. His mom is ,...well, no one is home if you get
my meaning.
This child also has that "vacant eyes" look that Ajax is
talking about. He appears to be intelligent but he just "doesn't
get it", and he has ZERO social skills.
What do I do? If anything?
This has been haunting me for awhile now.
Sorry LL, I just don't know where else to turn.
I always wondered why somebody didn't do something
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Karma
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Posted 01-27-03
03:36 PM
quote:
Robey wrote:
Boy oh boy.............has this stirred up something that
has been festering at me for a long time..... So , Opinions
are being asked for..you too LL!
A 14 year old pain in the ass child (always getting into
mischief) lives down the street from me. he lives with
his mother who is definetely "not all there". She is in
her mid-to-late twenties. They live in a converted garage
that is about 200 yards from the main house where her parents
live. Off of her garage is an attached car port.
This garage has been wired and plumbed off of the main
house. No permits, nothing. Electricity, phone (same as
main house) water. The garage door has been permentently
closed and 2 cars block it anyway. The Carport is where
she parks a HUGE OLD SUV. That is also where the entrance
to their "home" is. There is absolutely no way that door
can open more than 10-12 inches when the vehicle is there.
Inside, there is a kitchen, bathroom and LR/Bedroom. All
together about the size of an All-Star Room. They have
been living like this for years, but it only came to my
direct attention this year when I went to fetch my son
there. I am not sure what they are using for heat. It is
bitter cold out.
My dilemna? Do I raise the issue with child protective
services, or "mind my own damn business"? Keep in mind
this type of living conditions caused a child to die in
a fire in November because they could not get out in time.
(Front Page, Boston Globe)
The kicker?
Her parents live in the main house and rents out a 3 bedroom
apartment on the second level to a complete stranger. (For
Income)
Many issues here besides safety, as you can well imagine.
The beds are 6 inches away from each other. This child
is a teenager. His mom is ,...well, no one is home if you
get my meaning.
This child also has that "vacant eyes" look that Ajax is
talking about. He appears to be intelligent but he just "doesn't
get it", and he has ZERO social skills.
What do I do? If anything?
This has been haunting me for awhile now.
Sorry LL, I just don't know where else to turn.
I used to think I needed to actually DO something in situations
like these...but now I realize that there is nothing, nothing
in my power to truly change lives for other people. Even
people who seem to have a rough go at it.
Here's just one example of how things CAN turn out though,
even if left alone.
There was a woman in our town who was nuts, I mean NUTTY
as a FRUITCAKE. She had 6 children and her doctor finally "slipped" when
she had her last rendering her incapeable of having more.
Her kids suffered along with a loon for a mom and were ridiculed
at school and in our neighborhoods, nobody wanted to play
with the weird kids.
Well....this was 20 years ago, and for some reason, mom left
the family and the kids were shipped off to various foster
situations and relatives. 3 of those children have gone on
to college and are making wonderful lives for themselves...and
the other children are NOT in the paper regularly for various
crimes and sundry. They've turned out relatively ok.
I'm just not sure that we have the right to tell other parents
how to parent their children, even if they ARE doing a sucky
job at it, even if they ARE putting their kids in precarious
situations.
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
03:41 PM
I'd
call PS in a heartbeat,
Robey. That sounds like
a very unhealthy situation.
A PS referral in Michigan
doesn't always mean that
the kid will be snatched
and placed in foster care.
They might just help the
people apply for programs
that will remedy or at
least improve the situation,
mandate counseling, and
keep an eye on them.
We have an outfit with my branch of the Family Independence
Agency called 'Prevention'whose function is to guide families
at risk away from situations that might result in a full
blown crisis. When the alternatives are pointed out to them,
many of our PS clients shape up.
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Crank
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Posted 01-27-03
03:42 PM
quote:
Robey wrote:
What do I do? If anything?
This has been haunting me for awhile now.
Sorry LL, I just don't know where else to turn.
Call Code Enforcement, You need not give a name.
I like persons better than principles, and I like
persons with no principles better than anything else in the
world.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
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Karma
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Posted 01-27-03
03:48 PM
But
where do we draw the line
on calling in what we see
as unfit?
Maybe the woman AND her parents see nothing wrong with the
living conditions. I'm not sure it's up to us to decide what
kind of conditions someone else lives under.
Here's another example.
My daughter is living in a VERY unhealthy environment. We,
as her parents, won't even go over to her house anymore,
it's so awful.
But I don't think we have the right to tell her how to live....
yes, I worry that she's gonna die in a fire. I think about
it often, in fact, but sometimes there's just got to be a
line we draw in getting into someone elses lives or business,
even if it's our own family.
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TrpltJanie
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Posted 01-27-03
03:48 PM
Oh
maaaaaaan! It is a toughie
and it is an extremely
fine line to walk on and
it is NOT funny when a
child gets hurt. I got
slugged by an abusive father
because I stepped in front
of him to keep him from
punching his teenaged daughter
and jumped into a brawl
in Australia when I saw
a guy beating up his pregnant
wife and the reactions
from the onlookers was
SHOCKING! They said "Yank!
Go home and mind your own
fairdinkum business!"
I've see the agency do wonders in helping abused children
but I've seen overzealous social workers make a mess of things.
I take these things seriously but do take the time to poke
fun of people like Ron Ng.
Robey--I don't have a clue in what to do for that mom and
I got this impression that her parents are punishing her
for some reason. It is that "damned if I do and damned if
I don't"
you and the mom will be in my prayers and hopefully the situation
will resolve in a positive way that helps the child.
Hugs--
Janie
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
03:58 PM
Karma-
I usually draw the line at single adults that have the mental
capacity to make their own decisions. If living in a mess
is what they want, it's none of my business as long as it's
not a health or fire hazard that might affect an innocent
party.
If there are children, aged adults, developmentally disabled
or mentally ill people involved, then that's a different
story.
I have a computer-whiz brother in law that lives like a pig.
He's the nicest guy in the world, but chooses to live in
a filthy dump. And that’s OK with me, although I don’t understand
it. When he comes to our home for Thanksgiving, he’s neat & clean
and always brings a box of chocolates.
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Crank
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Posted 01-27-03
04:01 PM
quote:
Karma wrote:
But where do we draw the line on calling in what we see
as unfit?
Maybe the woman AND her parents see nothing wrong with
the living conditions. I'm not sure it's up to us to decide
what kind of conditions someone else lives under.
Here's another example.
My daughter is living in a VERY unhealthy environment.
We, as her parents, won't even go over to her house anymore,
it's so awful.
But I don't think we have the right to tell her how to
live....
yes, I worry that she's gonna die in a fire. I think about
it often, in fact, but sometimes there's just got to be
a line we draw in getting into someone elses lives or business,
even if it's our own family.
Codes are enforced for a reason.
At this point no first responder even knows somebody is living
there! Firefighters risk their lives for souls - not the
family Buick.
Domiciles are *always* searched for inhabitants, whereas
garages rarely are.
edited to fix a tiepo...
[Edited by Crank]
I like persons better than principles, and I like
persons with no principles better than anything else in the
world.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891
BOYCOTT FRENCH TOAST, GERMAN SAUSAGE AND BELGIAN CHOCOLATES
Crank-->
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TrpltJanie
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Posted 01-27-03
04:04 PM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
I'd call PS in a heartbeat, Robey. That sounds like a very
unhealthy situation. A PS referral in Michigan doesn't
always mean that the kid will be snatched and placed in
foster care. They might just help the people apply for
programs that will remedy or at least improve the situation,
mandate counseling, and keep an eye on them.
We have an outfit with my branch of the Family Independence
Agency called 'Prevention'whose function is to guide families
at risk away from situations that might result in a full
blown crisis. When the alternatives are pointed out to
them, many of our PS clients shape up.
Ajax has a very good idea of *helping* someone. Ajax, what
about the school that the child attends? Can School counselors
help in notifying the CFS? Just wondering....
Janie
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Lunarlady
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Posted 01-27-03
04:05 PM
I
grew up knowing kids like
you are describing, Robey.
When I would ask my parents
about their living conditions,
their answer would be (9
times out of 10) "It's
none of our business how
they're living. However,
don't treat them like they're
worse off than you. Treat
them like you'd treat anyone
else" (Of course, in the
10th situation, if they
found out there were guns
on the premises, they'd
tell us to steer clear
of the domicile)
You have to remember that my parent were born in the depression
(Dad '35, Mom '36), so living conditions like that aren't
as shocking to my family as you'd think. As long as there's
a roof overhead, food on the table and clothes on the back,
you should count yourself lucky.
Perhaps this "converted garage" is the mother's "get away" home
and they might actually spend their nights in the parent's
house. Perhaps the little boy with the vacant eyes is responding
to a sixth sense that tells him other people think he lives
in some kind of a slum.
We have no clue (and it's none of our business) what our
neighbors do in the privacy of their own homes. While I don't
hold with the "punished" theory that Karma put forth, I can
easily imagine the parents throwing together some kind of
living arrangement to keep their daughter and grandchild
off the streets.
Perhaps this is temporary. Perhaps the daughter is on welfare.
Perhaps her parents preferred that the child was aborted,
but the daughter wanted to keep it and have her parents support
her and her child for years. We don't know and, unless the
child is in immediate personal danger, it's really none of
our business in the first place.
I was raised with a "change the world by example, not by
dictating how others should live" philosphy.
Ajax has excellent examples of times when people should get
involved. (I thought the long sleeves in warm weather is
a great tip-off, Ajax) However, Ajax is trained and licensed
to get involved and/or investigate situations like this.
The average layman isn't and when that layman butts his/her
nose into situations that they only have an inkling of what's
going on, it create more work for people like Ajax.
But, then again, I'm probably just having a bad day because
the more I see of "normal" people, the more I want to be
a hermit.
A
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
04:08 PM
Crank
wrote-
quote:
Domiciles are *always* searched for inhabitants, whereas
gargages rarely are
Up here the killers are the ‘security bars’ that people place
over doors and windows to keep the predators out. The firefighters
can’t get in!
That’s not a problem in my neighborhood, but we lose a couple
dozen people every year in the cities.
Here’s the latest tragedy-
http://www.freep.com/news/locway/fi...27_20030127.htm
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Ajax
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Posted 01-27-03
04:12 PM
LL
said-
quote:
But, then again, I'm probably just having a bad day because
the more I see of "normal" people, the more I want to be
a hermit.
They're the worst. Kids from 'normal' families in our town
blew up the Federal Bldg in Oklahoma City, and bankrupted
K-Mart.
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TrpltJanie
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Posted 01-27-03
04:16 PM
quote:
Lunarlady wrote:
But, then again, I'm probably just having a bad day because
the more I see of "normal" people, the more I want to be
a hermit.
Can I be your next door hermit? I understand where you're
coming from and when a innocent child is involved, it makes
the decision on whether call CFS or not more difficult.
Janie
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Lunarlady
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Posted 01-27-03
04:26 PM
quote:
Ajax wrote:
I have a computer-whiz brother in law that lives like a
pig. He's the nicest guy in the world, but chooses to live
in a filthy dump.
That man needs a woman.
I'm sure he spends more
time thinking about the
job than he does thinking
about his house. (I knew
several men like this.
They're WONDERFUL guys,
but their priorities are
a little....different)
Your BIL reminds me of a wonderful, fantastic, most excellently
gifted Network Technician I knew about 5 years ago. He always
said he hoped to meet women at the grocery store because
they'd know from his checkout items (cocoa-puffs, cookies,
toilet-paper and milk) that he was single. A very funny and
great guy, very single, very messy (I'd try very hard not
to go near his desk!)
I heard he moved out west somewhere and finally got his wish:
he married a lovely woman and I'm sure she's taking care
of the house (and his diet...cocoa puffs?) while he pulls
down the big bucks.
Thanks for cheering me up! Your BIL story reminded me of
this old co-worker.
A
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